2024 Classic HOF election

packs · #1 07-19-2024, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Dizzy Dean had more than one good season. He was the 1934 NL MVP. He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1935. He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1936.

He's in the HOF because he won 30 games.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 07-19-2024, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

He's in the HOF because he won 30 games.

He won as many as Koufax. His WAR was only 2 points below Koufax.

Beercan collector · #3 07-19-2024, 08:30 PM

Dizzy Dean was an extremely popular and very accommodating to all the writers ,
Shouldn�t make a difference but it surely did .

rats60 · #4 07-20-2024, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by packs

He's in the HOF because he won 30 games.

No, he is in the HOF because he was one of the best players in the NL from 1932-36 winning 120 games and receiving MVP votes each year. Then an AS in 1937 with 12 wins at the break, he was injured in the AS game and never was the same after. His five year peak was similar to that of Sandy Koufax. Dean was elected by the BBWAA with 79% of the vote.

Jack Chesbro peaked at 2.2%. Hack Wilson peaked at 38.3%. Joe Wood peaked at 18%. None of those are comparable to Dean.

packs · #5 07-20-2024, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

No, he is in the HOF because he was one of the best players in the NL from 1932-36 winning 120 games and receiving MVP votes each year. Then an AS in 1937 with 12 wins at the break, he was injured in the AS game and never was the same after. His five year peak was similar to that of Sandy Koufax. Dean was elected by the BBWAA with 79% of the vote.

Jack Chesbro peaked at 2.2%. Hack Wilson peaked at 38.3%. Joe Wood peaked at 18%. None of those are comparable to Dean.

None of this gets around what I said. He finished with 11 more wins than Johan Santana, but with less strikeouts, a lower ERA+ and a lower WAR total. Johan Santana won three ERA titles, a pitching Triple Crown and two Cy Young awards. He didn't make it beyond his first vote. He didn't win 30 games in a single season either.

I also don't see any real relation between Dean's brief peak and Koufax's other than they were brief. Koufax led the league in ERA all five seasons and won three Triple Crowns. Dean did not win any Triple Crowns. Twenty percent of all Dean's wins came in one season.

shagrotn77 · #6 10-01-2024, 09:35 PM

I know the vote is in December, but does anyone know when the ballot will be released?

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