1965 Topps Series 6 semi-high Sheet Reconstruction

Cliff Bowman · #1 08-09-2024, 01:25 PM

The black border card to the right of Jim Owens has to be Ken Harrelson through the process of elimination, of the nine 1965 5th Series black border cards four of them are 4x. They are Phil Gagliano, Yankees Team card, Cardinals Rookie Stars, and Ken Harrelson. Gagliano is eliminated because he has Richie Allen under him and Allen has C Boyer to his left, that means Gagliano cannot be in a C2 column. The Yankees Team card has NEW YORK YANKEES - 1964 printed higher than the baseball on the back of the card which means it would be showing on the back of the Owens miscut. Cardinals Rookie Stars has Manny Mota to its' left. That means it has to be Ken Harrelson, so the first three cards of a 4x row are Jim Owens-Ken Harrelson-Frank Kostro. This also puts the first three cards of the Horlen row above the first three cards of the Owens row one time on each slit.

Horlen-Mota-Cardinals Rookie Stars
Owens-Harrelson-Kostro

Cliff Bowman · #2 11-15-2024, 01:21 PM

Trying to reconstruct this series is like trying to put a 132 piece jigsaw puzzle together with over half of the pieces missing, but here are two that fit together, 4x Sammy Ellis is above 3x Cookie Rojas somewhere over the two slits.

Kevvyg1026 · #3 02-16-2025, 06:45 AM

left of Angels RS

Angels_RS_left.jpg

Cliff Bowman · #4 02-16-2025, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

left of Angels RS

Attachment 651419

I have Tony Cloninger to the left of this Angels Rookie Stars card in post #6. I have looked everywhere I could think of and the supply of miscuts on this series has completely dried up. This is going to be much more difficult than the 1966 6th Series.

Cliff Bowman · #5 04-27-2025, 12:12 PM

A couple of new ones from the wasteland of 1965 Topps 6th Series. Don Pavletich is to the right of Clete Boyer so I was wrong about it being Richie Allen. Pavletich is definitely a 4x so that means C Boyer is a 4x even though he has relatively low quantities. Too bad there aren't more of these misaligned backs out there. Also, the Cardinals Rookie Stars card (Steve Carlton) has a 4x Met or a 4x Senator to its' right.

deweyinthehall · #6 05-04-2025, 04:14 PM

I just completed a 65 set and will be creating a page at my site on the set soon. For these reasons, I thought I might as well jump into the 6th series rabbit hole with you guys.

I found this Wills card today and Deans. By my figuring, the only cards that could be beneath him (Pirate/Yankee with dark at the top of the image) are Freese, Law and Howard. It can't be Law because of the reverse, and while it is very hard to tell in slim miscuts like this, I don't think you can see Freese's bat. In that case it could Howard.

This would make Wills a LE card because I think Howard was declared a LE card earlier, but I can't find where that came from. It also says he's at the top of one of the slits?

Thoughts on who is below Mr. Wills?

Kevvyg1026 · #7 05-04-2025, 04:42 PM

Howard has a very wavy LE, is the wrong back of Niekro (a RE card), and is above Horlen (a LE card)

Cliff Bowman · #8 05-04-2025, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I just completed a 65 set and will be creating a page at my site on the set soon. For these reasons, I thought I might as well jump into the 6th series rabbit hole with you guys.

I found this Wills card today and Deans. By my figuring, the only cards that could be beneath him (Pirate/Yankee with dark at the top of the image) are Freese, Law and Howard. It can't be Law because of the reverse, and while it is very hard to tell in slim miscuts like this, I don't think you can see Freese's bat. In that case it could Howard.

This would make Wills a LE card because I think Howard was declared a LE card earlier, but I can't find where that came from. It also says he's at the top of one of the slits?

Thoughts on who is below Mr. Wills?

Nice find! If it has to be one of those three it is Freese, the card under Wills has a shorter white bio box than Wills has, Law has a full white bio box like Wills does. I'm 98% sure Indians Rookie Stars is the seventh and last header card, since Wills is very likely not a header that means he can't be above Elston Howard.

Cliff Bowman · #9 05-18-2025, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I just completed a 65 set and will be creating a page at my site on the set soon. For these reasons, I thought I might as well jump into the 6th series rabbit hole with you guys.

I found this Wills card today and Deans. By my figuring, the only cards that could be beneath him (Pirate/Yankee with dark at the top of the image) are Freese, Law and Howard. It can't be Law because of the reverse, and while it is very hard to tell in slim miscuts like this, I don't think you can see Freese's bat. In that case it could Howard.

This would make Wills a LE card because I think Howard was declared a LE card earlier, but I can't find where that came from. It also says he's at the top of one of the slits?

Thoughts on who is below Mr. Wills?

I think I am wrong about the Indians Rookie Stars being the 7th and final header card, I now think Ted Wills is the 7th header card. That would make Elston Howard the card under Wills on the miscut. I have been puzzled why I could never find a miscut showing the top of the Ted Wills back, if he is a header card that would explain that. It didn't make sense for Wills to be above Freese because Wills is obviously a 3x and he didn't fit in being on the same row as Boyer and Pavletich because they are 4x cards. If Wills is the 7th header card to go along with Stu Miller, Bob Priddy, Jim Owens, Ed Mathews, Joel Horlen, and Elston Howard the question is who is the third 4x header card to go along with Horlen and Owens. I now believe that is Wills under Mathews on the miscut. ETA Dewey was right and I was wrong.

Kevvyg1026 · #10 05-06-2025, 04:46 AM

Are you sure that is not a Brave or Red Sox next to carlton? Might be dark green

Cliff Bowman · #11 05-06-2025, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Are you sure that is not a Brave or Red Sox next to carlton? Might be dark green

You�re right, I was thinking the Mets and Senators are dark green but it�s actually the Red Sox and Braves who are dark green.

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