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GasHouseGang · #1 08-12-2024, 05:09 PM

I understand how to detect several of these "improvements", but how do they detect color added? I had a card that came back from grading that said it had color added, and I couldn't see anything using a UV light. Is there a better way to detect it?

perezfan · #2 08-12-2024, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

I understand how to detect several of these "improvements", but how do they detect color added? I had a card that came back from grading that said it had color added, and I couldn't see anything using a UV light. Is there a better way to detect it?

They guess.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #3 08-12-2024, 05:42 PM

They do own a VSC (video spectral comparator). If you're not familiar, look it up.

Seven · #4 08-12-2024, 05:51 PM

I have a couple of cards in my collection that were slabbed "Altered" It offered a cheaper way to pick up a card for my PC that looks nice. If the choice was between a 1 that looks like it's been through the ringer or the Altered that presents nicely, I'll take the latter. I understand that might be sacrilege to some people, but collecting on a budget can be difficult at times.

All that being said, what I cannot stand is cards that are clearly altered ending up in numbered holders. Altered should be labeled as such, not passed as something with a number grade to achieve a higher profit.

JustinD · #5 08-12-2024, 06:49 PM

I guess I am the oddball but as long as it’s correctly labeled and stays that way, I don’t have an issue. I do have a strong issue when people do it to deceive. Something like this is never getting by a Tpg with that level of restoration.

If you want a display piece, there’s nothing close you are getting for that money. Seems like it sold for the right amount when so many altered cards that snuck by the goalie sell for 10x that. I kinda feel it’s more honest to buy this than a vintage 8 or 9 I know was likely tweaked but feel better because it has a number.

sbfinley · #6 08-12-2024, 07:10 PM

�Buy the card, not the holder.�

Guy buys card.

�No not like that.�

t206fanatic · #7 08-12-2024, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sbfinley

�Buy the card, not the holder.�

Guy buys card.

�No not like that.�

got a chuckle out of me

Carter08 · #8 08-13-2024, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sbfinley

�Buy the card, not the holder.�

Guy buys card.

�No not like that.�

Hahah.

Keith H. Thompson · #9 08-13-2024, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinD

I guess I am the oddball but as long as it�s correctly labeled and stays that way, I don�t have an issue. I do have a strong issue when people do it to deceive. Something like this is never getting by a Tpg with that level of restoration.

If you want a display piece, there�s nothing close you are getting for that money. Seems like it sold for the right amount when so many altered cards that snuck by the goalie sell for 10x that. I kinda feel it�s more honest to buy this than a vintage 8 or 9 I know was likely tweaked but feel better because it has a number.

"something like this is never getting by a Tpg" I'm still standing in awe over a business model where we collectors hand over large sums of money and a piece of cardboard to a clerk at the TPA. It then disappears behind presumably closed doors and a few grown men and boys decide how much it it is worth. And we can do it over and over again until we get it "right." Right ?

Peter_Spaeth · #10 08-13-2024, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith H. Thompson

"something like this is never getting by a Tpg" I'm still standing in awe over a business model where we collectors hand over large sums of money and a piece of cardboard to a clerk at the TPA. It then disappears behind presumably closed doors and a few grown men and boys decide how much it it is worth. And we can do it over and over again until we get it "right." Right ?

At its heart it's a brilliant business model because it facilitates signt unseen purchases by purporting to objectify/standardize both authenticity and condition of a collectible with no inherent value. That said, it's become corrupted by basic human dishonesty.

Tabe · #11 08-13-2024, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinD

I guess I am the oddball but as long as it�s correctly labeled and stays that way, I don�t have an issue. I do have a strong issue when people do it to deceive. Something like this is never getting by a Tpg with that level of restoration.

If you want a display piece, there�s nothing close you are getting for that money. Seems like it sold for the right amount when so many altered cards that snuck by the goalie sell for 10x that. I kinda feel it�s more honest to buy this than a vintage 8 or 9 I know was likely tweaked but feel better because it has a number.

I'm with you. I'd much rather have this than a creased, off-center 2.

CardPadre · #12 08-12-2024, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

I understand how to detect several of these "improvements", but how do they detect color added? I had a card that came back from grading that said it had color added, and I couldn't see anything using a UV light. Is there a better way to detect it?

I guess there are some coloring agents that won't fluoresce, but UV light will glow most color added.

If you see any area of the card where maybe there looks like wear or damage that probably should have exposed the underlying paper/cardboard but it's still colored, that might be an area to suspect.

Do you have a cert number for it where there is an image? I always like looking for stuff that.

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