Altered? Who cares? 52T REA Mantle AUTH ALT

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #1 08-14-2024, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll

Or are "The Times They Are A-Changin" - and the new crowd prefers an altered/doctored card to buy with their hard earned money because it looks better in spite of the fact it has been tampered with ?

This is a big one in my mind. We have all kinds of new collectors entering the market, none of whom have been "tainted" (terrible choice of wording) by how restoration has classically been frowned upon in this hobby. Several of these newbies are crossing over from other hobbies such as comic books, where restoration is considered wholly acceptable.

Remember, to the previously uninitiated, the general idea of restoration is seen as a good thing. We hear about it all the time: as someone else mentioned, with classic cars. Also, the fine art world, comic books, furniture, architecture. Restoration is everywhere and the word has very positive connotations when associated with practically anything else.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 08-14-2024, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

This is a big one in my mind. We have all kinds of new collectors entering the market, none of whom have been "tainted" (terrible choice of wording) by how restoration has classically been frowned upon in this hobby. Several of these newbies are crossing over from other hobbies such as comic books, where restoration is considered wholly acceptable.

Remember, to the previously uninitiated, the general idea of restoration is seen as a good thing. We hear about it all the time: as someone else mentioned, with classic cars. Also, the fine art world, comic books, furniture, architecture. Restoration is everywhere and the word has very positive connotations when associated with practically anything else.

Sure, when it's disclosed, it's fine. When it's concealed and done to deceive, it's not. Our beloved card doctors and their enablers at all levels of the hobby have made millions from blatant fraudulent deception.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #3 08-14-2024, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sure, when it's disclosed, it's fine. When it's concealed and done to deceive, it's not. Our beloved card doctors have made millions from blatant fraudulent deception.

Oh, I agree. I should have added similar verbiage to my last post just to be clear about that. Thanks.

Touch'EmAll · #4 08-14-2024, 11:44 AM

If someone wants to doctor a card they own, then that's their perogative. If they can get it to where it looks like a EX/NM copy then that's ok ... so long as the grading company they send it to appropriately slabs it as "authentic altered". Then anyone who buys cards for eye appeal and could care less about doctoring should be able to both get a nice looking card and at a more affordable price. But in no way should a grading company give the card a numerical grade - then we get into a whole mess of nastiness.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #5 08-14-2024, 11:48 AM

I would quibble with the title of the thread.

Obviously people DO care, to the tune of about $100,000 give or take, which is the difference between what the card made with good disclosure despite it's EX/MT appearance and what an actual EX/MT example would likely go for.

slightlyrounded · #6 08-14-2024, 01:17 PM

One one hand I'd rather have the extra half-millimeter this card is missing in height; on the other hand I enjoy the $3000-$5000 I saved when purchasing. It quite literally allowed me to purchase the rest of the set and a few C55s to boot.

Centauri · #7 08-14-2024, 02:03 PM

These cards get crazy money in bad condition. This auction seems a fair price for a card that looks really nice.

jayshum · #8 08-14-2024, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

This is a big one in my mind. We have all kinds of new collectors entering the market, none of whom have been "tainted" (terrible choice of wording) by how restoration has classically been frowned upon in this hobby. Several of these newbies are crossing over from other hobbies such as comic books, where restoration is considered wholly acceptable.

Remember, to the previously uninitiated, the general idea of restoration is seen as a good thing. We hear about it all the time: as someone else mentioned, with classic cars. Also, the fine art world, comic books, furniture, architecture. Restoration is everywhere and the word has very positive connotations when associated with practically anything else.

Just saw this today about comic book restoration. Big money awarded to the restores.

https://www.cllct.com/sports-collect...ion-in-damages

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