Relief Pitcher Trivia

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Gossage is a good guess. He was only 30+ saves twice but did have 124 wins. Fingers is the guy.

It makes me re-think how guys like Fingers and Gossage make the Hall. So many fewer IP than your average HOF starter.

I'm not sure why you would compare IP for a reliever to IP for a starter.

Fingers pitched back when closers (if they were called that back then) were used for multiple innings and didn't only come in when it was a save situation. He pitched in 944 games (907 in relief) and finished 709 of them and had 341 saves. He also pitched 1701 innings so close to 2 innings per appearance.

For comparison, Mariano Rivera pitched in 1115 games (1105 in relief) and finished 952, but he only had 1283 innings so rarely pitched more than 1 inning during an appearance.

Trevor Hoffman pitched in 1035 games (all in relief) and only had 1089 innings.

I don't think you can really compare how relievers were used back in the 70s and 80s with the relievers who pitched when the modern closer role was established.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I'm not sure why you would compare IP for a reliever to IP for a starter.

Fingers pitched back when closers (if they were called that back then) were used for multiple innings and didn't only come in when it was a save situation. He pitched in 944 games (907 in relief) and finished 709 of them and had 341 saves. He also pitched 1701 innings so close to 2 innings per appearance.

For comparison, Mariano Rivera pitched in 1115 games (1105 in relief) and finished 952, but he only had 1283 innings so rarely pitched more than 1 inning during an appearance.

Trevor Hoffman pitched in 1035 games (all in relief) and only had 1089 innings.

I don't think you can really compare how relievers were used back in the 70s and 80s with the relievers who pitched when the modern closer role was established.

I don't see why a couple IP every other day is better than an 8 inning start every 4th or 5th day.

Here's a comparison between Fingers and a guy not even close to being a HOFer - Mel Stottlemyer:

Wins/Losses: Rollie (114-118) Mel (164-139)
Innings Pitched: Rollie (1701.1), Mel (2661.1)
ERA: Rollie (2.90), Mel (2.97)

Rollie was pitching in his prime on 3 World Series champions.

Mel was on the Yankees 1964 WS team and as a rookie started 3 of the WS games. Otherwise, he was on the Yankees during their dismal Horace Clarke era.

I have never subscribed to the notion the 9th inning is so much more difficult/important than the 3rd or 4th inning. So, to me, saves don't matter much. If we credit Rollie for throwing a clean 9th, we should give Mel the same credit for all the clean innings he threw.

Both were quality pitchers and valuable to their teams. Just saying, Mel gave 50% more quality innings.