Ebay 1947 Bond Bread

Snowman · #1 08-20-2024, 01:44 AM

Ya, but it was better centered than most. This card is notoriously wildly OC.

An even better centered copy just did $4500 in a PSA 1 a couple months ago. And it had multiple creases as well.

I really don't get how this concept still doesn't seem to get through to people, but centered vintage cards are worth MUCH more than OC copies. Multiples more. At least 1.5x comps, and usually 2x to 3x comps for key vintage cards. And if they look undergraded in addition to being centered, cards can often go 4x or 5x comps.

BigfootIsReal · #2 08-20-2024, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Ya, but it was better centered than most. This card is notoriously wildly OC.

An even better centered copy just did $4500 in a PSA 1 a couple months ago. And it had multiple creases as well.

I really don't get how this concept still doesn't seem to get through to people, but centered vintage cards are worth MUCH more than OC copies. Multiples more. At least 1.5x comps, and usually 2x to 3x comps for key vintage cards. And if they look undergraded in addition to being centered, cards can often go 4x or 5x comps.

Nice, subtle, dig. May a large horse piss all over your snow!

BigfootIsReal · #3 08-20-2024, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Ya, but it was better centered than most. This card is notoriously wildly OC.

An even better centered copy just did $4500 in a PSA 1 a couple months ago. And it had multiple creases as well.

I really don't get how this concept still doesn't seem to get through to people, but centered vintage cards are worth MUCH more than OC copies. Multiples more. At least 1.5x comps, and usually 2x to 3x comps for key vintage cards. And if they look undergraded in addition to being centered, cards can often go 4x or 5x comps.

So, when it comes to the two most overused words in cards right now, "eye appeal", as long as the card is somewhat centered (even though it's centered due to trimming), it's ok for that said card to have enough creases to make it look like a road map? If you think the card we're speaking of has "eye appeal" with all the creases and off-white color, then dude, you need to lay off that hippie lettuce a little. I'm happy it went for so much since I have a much better one in a 5. On to more important things, Jerry Reed IS the only Snowman, period. Change your screen name!

Snowman · #4 08-20-2024, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

So, when it comes to the two most overused words in cards right now, "eye appeal", as long as the card is somewhat centered (even though it's centered due to trimming), it's ok for that said card to have enough creases to make it look like a road map? If you think the card we're speaking of has "eye appeal" with all the creases and off-white color, then dude, you need to lay off that hippie lettuce a little. I'm happy it went for so much since I have a much better one in a 5. On to more important things, Jerry Reed IS the only Snowman, period. Change your screen name!

"Eye appeal" is the most important term in the hobby, not the most overused. Until you figure that out, you'll continue to scratch your head at auction results into perpetuity.

Also, a low-end card with strong eye-appeal selling above comps has zero effect on the values of your off-centered cards in higher grades. Zero.

G1911 · #5 08-20-2024, 02:10 PM

I always take my economic and political advice from Bigfoot advocates, as they seem to have a really strong grasp on discernible objective reality.

Snapolit1 · #6 08-20-2024, 07:17 PM

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I always take my economic and political advice from Bigfoot advocates, as they seem to have a really strong grasp on discernible objective reality.

Don�t knock Big Foot. Very agile guy for his size. In the last 30 years he has managed to evade every single one of the 345 million mobile phones in America with sophisticated color cameras.

Fuddjcal · #7 08-20-2024, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

So, when it comes to the two most overused words in cards right now, "eye appeal", as long as the card is somewhat centered (even though it's centered due to trimming), it's ok for that said card to have enough creases to make it look like a road map? If you think the card we're speaking of has "eye appeal" with all the creases and off-white color, then dude, you need to lay off that hippie lettuce a little. I'm happy it went for so much since I have a much better one in a 5. On to more important things, Jerry Reed IS the only Snowman, period. Change your screen name!

Breaker Breaker good buddy! We're Eastbound & Down.

BigfootIsReal · #8 08-20-2024, 06:29 PM

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Breaker Breaker good buddy! We're Eastbound & Down.

Jerry Reed = underrated

Exhibitman · #9 08-21-2024, 08:19 AM

IMO, this card is the key Robinson card, if you are considering rookie collecting, and anyone entering the hobby with aspirations of getting a Robinson rookie and who does his or her homework will end up looking at this card. The myth of the Leaf card has been debunked; the only reason people chase that one as a rookie (as opposed to as a great card from a great set) is an error made decades ago in identifying his rookie.

The round-cornered insert card is another underrated one, a poor man's version of a Robinson rookie. I am surely not the only one here who has a few stashed away?

Oh, and Jerry Reed was a talent: good writer, singer, and a pretty funny comedic actor. When you can hold your own with Jackie Gleason, you've gotta be pretty good.

Republicaninmass · #10 08-20-2024, 06:31 PM

People banking some regional RC is going to explode higher?

Its a New version of collectors I don't know

Peter_Spaeth · #11 08-21-2024, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

So, when it comes to the two most overused words in cards right now, "eye appeal", as long as the card is somewhat centered (even though it's centered due to trimming), it's ok for that said card to have enough creases to make it look like a road map? If you think the card we're speaking of has "eye appeal" with all the creases and off-white color, then dude, you need to lay off that hippie lettuce a little. I'm happy it went for so much since I have a much better one in a 5. On to more important things, Jerry Reed IS the only Snowman, period. Change your screen name!

"Elite centering." See you and raise you one.

packs · #12 08-21-2024, 03:15 PM

I think generally speaking people are always going to prefer a centered card to an off centered card. I'm not sure what the gripe is about a centered card having eye appeal in every case whether there are other flaws or not. It is a near universal truth in the hobby that a centered card is preferred.

Peter_Spaeth · #13 08-21-2024, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I think generally speaking people are always going to prefer a centered card to an off centered card. I'm not sure what the gripe is about a centered card having eye appeal in every case whether there are other flaws or not. It is a near universal truth in the hobby that a centered card is preferred.

Of course and that has always been true, but it's a relatively recent phenomenon that it has become such a fetish and that centered cards command such a huge premium.

BioCRN · #14 08-21-2024, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I think generally speaking people are always going to prefer a centered card to an off centered card. I'm not sure what the gripe is about a centered card having eye appeal in every case whether there are other flaws or not. It is a near universal truth in the hobby that a centered card is preferred.

As someone who ignores centering (as long as it's not terrible) and prefers a clean surface with nice color as a #1 priority, I've seen centering win out over creases and scuffs nearly all the time.

Being on the other side of one of the most popular aspects of the hobby really drives home how much people will pay for centering, especially when multiple examples are up for sale/auction at the same time.

It's not exactly news that centering is king, but I'm still kinda surprised how much surface damage people will ignore for centering. Some people won't even touch a card that's not mostly or totally centered. They don't even want to consider it unless it's extremely rare and even then they're looking to upgrade asap. There's a lot of them, too.

BigfootIsReal · #15 08-21-2024, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BioCRN

As someone who ignores centering (as long as it's not terrible) and prefers a clean surface with nice color as a #1 priority, I've seen centering win out over creases and scuffs nearly all the time.

Being on the other side of one of the most popular aspects of the hobby really drives home how much people will pay for centering, especially when multiple examples are up for sale/auction at the same time.

It's not exactly news that centering is king, but I'm still kinda surprised how much surface damage people will ignore for centering. Some people won't even touch a card that's not mostly or totally centered. They don't even want to consider it unless it's extremely rare and even then they're looking to upgrade asap. There's a lot of them, too.

Exactly! As long as a card is centered people disregard the fact it's been doctored to get it centered, they overlook that it has more creases than Nancy Pelosis' face or that there is dog crap smeared on the front. But hey, the card MIGHT smell, but it's centered.

Peter_Spaeth · #16 08-21-2024, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

Exactly! As long as a card is centered people disregard the fact it's been doctored to get it centered, they overlook that it has more creases than Nancy Pelosis' face or that there is dog crap smeared on the front. But hey, the card MIGHT smell, but it's centered.

You could post a card with 40 40 borders and as long as it was slabbed no one would notice and people would ooh and aah over it.

parkplace33 · #17 08-20-2024, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Ya, but it was better centered than most. This card is notoriously wildly OC.

An even better centered copy just did $4500 in a PSA 1 a couple months ago. And it had multiple creases as well.

I really don't get how this concept still doesn't seem to get through to people, but centered vintage cards are worth MUCH more than OC copies. Multiples more. At least 1.5x comps, and usually 2x to 3x comps for key vintage cards. And if they look undergraded in addition to being centered, cards can often go 4x or 5x comps.

100 concur Snow. Guys want big cards, but with great eye appeal. They have the most upside.

packs · #18 08-20-2024, 09:25 AM

I paid $1,000 for my beater. Felt high at the time but I still think this card has it's due coming. I'm not interested in selling any time soon. In my opinion it is one of the most historically significant baseball cards ever released:

BigfootIsReal · #19 08-20-2024, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by packs

I paid $1,000 for my beater. Felt high at the time but I still think this card has it's due coming. I'm not interested in selling any time soon. In my opinion it is one of the most historically significant baseball cards ever released:

Agree with that, but I'm afraid of the uninformed people come Nov 5 and as a result will absolutely CRUSH the economy for YEARS to come.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #20 08-20-2024, 10:15 AM

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Agree with that, but I'm afraid of the uninformed people come Nov 5 and as a result will absolutely CRUSH the economy for YEARS to come.

Can never get enough politics...

gunboat82 · #21 08-20-2024, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

Agree with that, but I'm afraid of the uninformed people come Nov 5 and as a result will absolutely CRUSH the economy for YEARS to come.

Let me know when you're ready to go in the bunker. I have plenty of canned goods and animal jerky that I'll trade you for your worthless cardboard.

BigfootIsReal · #22 08-20-2024, 10:53 AM

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Let me know when you're ready to go in the bunker. I have plenty of canned goods and animal jerky that I'll trade you for your worthless cardboard.

LOL, where did I say "bunker"? I suppose you can afford MUCH more higher prices for EVERYTHING in the near future. But I suppose you can since you live rent free in your mom's basement.

CardPadre · #23 08-20-2024, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

LOL, where did I say "bunker"? I suppose you can afford MUCH more higher prices for EVERYTHING in the near future. But I suppose you can since you live rent free in your mom's basement.

I hope you annoy people in your conspiracy forums with baseball card comments as much as you do the opposite here.

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gunboat82 · #24 08-20-2024, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

LOL, where did I say "bunker"? I suppose you can afford MUCH more higher prices for EVERYTHING in the near future. But I suppose you can since you live rent free in your mom's basement.

Apologies. I've been underground in mom's basement so long that my mind gravitates toward "bunker" when other people seem troubled and need a safe space.

More on topic, I'd have paid in that ballpark for that Jackie if I had seen it. I'd take that card (or his White Sleeves batting) over any of his Leaf, Bowman, or Topps issues.

darwinbulldog · #25 08-20-2024, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by parkplace33

100 concur Snow. Guys want big cards, but with great eye appeal. They have the most upside.

That doesn't make sense to me. Surely the cards that people do not want but will want in the future are the ones with the most upside.

parkplace33 · #26 08-20-2024, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

That doesn't make sense to me. Surely the cards that people do not want but will want in the future are the ones with the most upside.

Desirable cards with the best eye appeal within the grade will only go up in value long term.

For modern, I can see your point (speculation). For vintage, what cards are you referring to?

packs · #27 08-20-2024, 10:48 AM

Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier wasn't merely a sports moment. It was one of the most historically significant moments in this country's recent history and the portrait card is the first time an African American player ever appeared in a major league uniform.

In my opinion, the portrait card is more significant than any other card in the hobby, and that includes the Wagner T206, which is merely a rarity.

PSA has a pop report of only 104 portrait cards.

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