Ohtani CARDS are Mostly UNDERVALUED

[packs]

Mookie Betts is a good player but he's no Aaron Judge. Even at his peak he is overshadowed:

Betts MVP season: 186 OPS+ - pretty incredible year BUT
Judge MVP season: 210 OPS+ and his OPS+ right now is even better at 226

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Mookie Betts is a good player but he's no Aaron Judge. Even at his peak he is overshadowed:

Betts MVP season: 186 OPS+ - pretty incredible year BUT
Judge MVP season: 210 OPS+ and his OPS+ right now is even better at 226

69.1 WAR and he's only 31. That's more than a "good" player.

[packs]

Sure but he's not Aaron Judge even on his best day and that was my point.

[BigfootIsReal]

IF the Dodgers allow Ohtani to pitch again, I'll take Ohtani over Judge every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[packs]

As a complete player sure but my comment was in reference to who the best hitter in baseball is. I believe it is Judge.

Soto put up a 200 OPS+ in 2020 during a short season. I think you have to go all the way back to Frank Thomas in 1994 to find the last 200 OPS+ season and that was still a strike shortened season.

I am purposely excluding Bonds / McGwire / Sosa for reasons I think are clear.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by packs

As a complete player sure but my comment was in reference to who the best hitter in baseball is. I believe it is Judge.

Soto put up a 200 OPS+ in 2020 during a short season. I think you have to go all the way back to Frank Thomas in 1994 to find the last 200 OPS+ season and that was still a strike shortened season.

I am purposely excluding Bonds / McGwire / Sosa for reasons I think are clear.

Bagwell too. Bagwell was 213, Thomas was 212. Soto was 217. The last time someone was that good was Ted Williams (233) and Mickey Mantle (221) in 1957.

[packs]

Ah, I didn't see Bagwell had also done it in the 1994 strike season.

I think that demonstrates just how good Judge is. This will be his second 200 OPS+ season.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

IF the Dodgers allow Ohtani to pitch again, I'll take Ohtani over Judge every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

You can have him! I'll take the judge!

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

You can have him! I'll take the judge!

World Series

Ohtani vs Judge

Ten AB's and I say Judge is good for a bloop single

[BioCRN]

Whether he's the best or not, if Ohtani isn't in your top-5 hitters in all of baseball anywhere on the planet I don't know what to say.

MVP caliber hitter. CY caliber pitcher. Unless one wants to pick on Ohtani's ability to pitch 200-ish IP as a pitcher, both stand strong.

Guy is about to hit 40+ homers for the 3rd time in 4 years. He's going to join the 40-40 club. He's recovering from Tommy John surgery while doing it. wtf...

3.01 ERA, 1.08 WHIP over 481.2ip

It's easy to ignore his pitching based on injury, but based on results when healthy it isn't.

His biggest knock is he doesn't play the field and if he did, it would most likely be below average.

Long story short...I've never seen anyone like him in my lifetime with skills this elevated and I'm not sure anyone else here has, either.

He's not a rare player, he's not a generational player, he's only being compared to Ruth because who else are you going to compare a guy with his skill set to that played in 1900+? He's a very unique player.

[insidethewrapper]

Marcell Ozuna may win the NL Triple Crown this year and nobody seems to care. Certain players are always hyped the most by the press.

[Snowman]

It's pretty difficult to overrate the greatest talent that the game has ever seen.