First-ever SGC 10 Wilt Chamberlain Rookie Graded

Peter_Spaeth · #1 08-28-2024, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00

It looks so damn good in that sgc case. Nothing beats proper contrast. Makes nice cards look even nicer and makes you forget the hunk of plastic is around it.
Literally makes the card look like a museum exhibit. Personally can't say the same with PSA, which to me are just inferior cgc cases in terms of eye appeal at this point. What a registry would do..

IMO nobody is paying $1 million or more based on how it looks in a particular slab. They are paying because they think it's a good value proposition. PSA 10s are just worth more than SGC 10s, much more usually, regardless of some romantic collector notions.

Lucas00 · #2 08-28-2024, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO nobody is paying $1 million or more based on how it looks in a particular slab. They are paying because they think it's a good value proposition. PSA 10s are just worth more than SGC 10s, much more usually, regardless of some romantic collector notions.

Maybe true, but It just depends on the type of collector. If someone has a million to spend and is a true collector who wants a 10 I don't see why they would care about the value discrepancy. It's funny to me how most people will admit sgc does look better for vintage cards, but also agree psa does/should hold more value. Just weird.

drcy · #3 08-28-2024, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00

Maybe true, but It just depends on the type of collector. If someone has a million to spend and is a true collector who wants a 10 I don't see why they would care about the value discrepancy. It's funny to me how most people will admit sgc does look better for vintage cards, but also agree psa does/should hold more value. Just weird.

At auction, it takes more than one person, and his personal sentiments, to drive the final price.

Carter08 · #4 08-29-2024, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00

Maybe true, but It just depends on the type of collector. If someone has a million to spend and is a true collector who wants a 10 I don't see why they would care about the value discrepancy. It's funny to me how most people will admit sgc does look better for vintage cards, but also agree psa does/should hold more value. Just weird.

I don�t think it�s weird. One, PSA has a registry that a great many people care about a ton (I don�t). Two, I think the general consensus or at least my thought is that sgc is a bit more lenient at least when it comes to recent grades. There are opposite examples of course but for the most part if you seek out a card in a specific grade the new grade psas are better looking than their sgc counterparts with the same grade.

JustinD · #5 08-29-2024, 08:33 AM

I agree that PSA may have been a better choice as 1961 is such a huge registry set.

I also agree that mint 1961s look 10 times better in an Sgc slab.

I think we may soon see it in one because this is honestly a Ken Kendrick level card and we know there are a couple buyers like himself that would change it for the registry. I also know that if Kendrick sends it and I send it, the 10 is a slam dunk for him. For me�maybe.

This is for vintage bball collectors like myself a choice I would take over a 52 Mantle, Joe Jackson, pick your poison. This is a hobby changing card in my mind. No one is going to sleep on it because you want this one. I honestly think a better example will never be found, this is the complete holy grail/needle in a haystack.

Republicaninmass · #6 08-29-2024, 09:06 AM

Would it be a PSA 9 with the lower right corner? Guess so.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #7 08-29-2024, 10:22 AM

I guess what I find amusing is a fuzzy cut supposedly doesn't lower the grade but centering does. Why should one factory flaw be acceptable and another not acceptable? The way some people feel about centering I feel, to a lesser degree, about fuzzy cuts. I really dislike them.

Also someone mentioned they like fuzzy cuts because it means the cards weren't trimmed. Unfortunately at least one doctor has become very good at mimicking fuzzy cut cards.

SyrNy1960 · #8 08-29-2024, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I guess what I find amusing is a fuzzy cut supposedly doesn't lower the grade but centering does. Why should one factory flaw be acceptable and another not acceptable? The way some people feel about centering I feel, to a lesser degree, about fuzzy cuts. I really dislike them.

Also someone mentioned they like fuzzy cuts because it means the cards weren't trimmed. Unfortunately at least one doctor has become very good at mimicking fuzzy cut cards.

Great point! I was wondering the same thing. The fuzzy cut edges are significant. I always thought sharp edges and corners were important for a 10.

perezfan · #9 08-29-2024, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I guess what I find amusing is a fuzzy cut supposedly doesn't lower the grade but centering does. Why should one factory flaw be acceptable and another not acceptable? The way some people feel about centering I feel, to a lesser degree, about fuzzy cuts. I really dislike them.

Also someone mentioned they like fuzzy cuts because it means the cards weren't trimmed. Unfortunately at least one doctor has become very good at mimicking fuzzy cut cards.

Agree with this. The fuzzy/rough cut is original to the card, and is not considered a flaw. So why do TPGs have the double-standard of downgrading for centering, but not for a rough cut? PSA also does not downgrade for poor registration/focus. All of these traits are completely original to the card.

To produce the rough cut, the cutting blades were not as sharp as new, due to prolonged usage. With off-centering, the cutting blades were not perfectly aligned and produced an off-center or diamond-cut card. So why punish the grade for one and not the other? It makes no sense.

If they simply graded the card based on its proximity to original condition, there would be no contradiction. People who prefer centered cards could simply use their own eyes to determine which ones they want to buy, and obviously there would still be a premium for well centered cards. Bottom line... their numerical grading scale is contradictory.

parkplace33 · #10 08-28-2024, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO nobody is paying $1 million or more based on how it looks in a particular slab. They are paying because they think it's a good value proposition. PSA 10s are just worth more than SGC 10s, much more usually, regardless of some romantic collector notions.

Agree. And while this card looks fabulous, I don't think it comes close to 1 million.

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