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Old 08-31-2024, 09:46 AM
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Old 08-31-2024, 10:30 AM
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Baseball: Babe Ruth
Basketball: Wilt Chamberlain
Boxing P4P: It is likely Mayweather, but I really want to pick an old timer.
Football: Brown, Rice or Brady
Hockey: Gretzky
Track: Phillippides

Don't know enough about other sports to have an opinion.
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Baseball: Babe Ruth
Basketball: Wilt Chamberlain
Boxing P4P: It is likely Mayweather, but I really want to pick an old timer.
Football: Brown, Rice or Brady
Hockey: Gretzky
Track: Phillippides

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I had Rice too. Brady’s SB in Tampa sealed it for me though.
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Old 08-31-2024, 10:47 AM
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I had Rice too. Brady’s SB in Tampa sealed it for me though.
Even offense only, I find it much more difficult to compare positions in football than in baseball. I would like to pick one of the pioneers of the game, a Baugh or a Hutson, but it is difficult to conclude Brown isn't the greatest RB, Rice the greatest WR, and Brady the greatest QB. I don't like the contemporary protect-the-QB-offense-ruleset but it is difficult to deny that in context he has dominated QB like nobody else. I'll collect Otto Graham and Bobby Layne and Y.A. Tittle but I don't think I can say they have any claim to being better. What an incredible career Brady has had.
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Baseball: Babe Ruth
Basketball: Wilt Chamberlain
Boxing P4P: It is likely Mayweather, but I really want to pick an old timer.
Football: Brown, Rice or Brady
Hockey: Gretzky
Track: Phillippides

Don't know enough about other sports to have an opinion.
That would be
Pheidippides, no?
Or is there a spelling with "l"s?
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Pheidippides, no?
Or is there a spelling with "l"s?
The spelling difference comes from different manuscripts of Herodotus' books spelling it differently in the Greek leading to 2 different versions in translation. I don't know if the archaeologists have found something showing one of the 2 is more likely to be the correct name of this gentleman.

I usually use the L's because I grew up with Plutarch as one of the 'prides of my youth and in my later days a comfort of my fate' as Boethius would say, and I recall that is the one he used.
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The spelling difference comes from different manuscripts of Herodotus' books spelling it differently in the Greek leading to 2 different versions in translation. I don't know if the archaeologists have found something showing one of the 2 is more likely to be the correct name of this gentleman.

I usually use the L's because I grew up with Plutarch as one of the 'prides of my youth and in my later days a comfort of my fate' as Boethius would say, and I recall that is the one he used.
Interesting, I have always seen the "d" version. Anyhow, if not apocryphal, what a great moment and what a thrill it must be to run the Athens Marathon. I ran three (not Athens) when I was young and I remember thinking to myself at much earlier points on the course, why couldn't he have died here?
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Old 08-31-2024, 01:42 PM
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Interesting, I have always seen the "d" version. Anyhow, if not apocryphal, what a great moment and what a thrill it must be to run the Athens Marathon. I ran three (not Athens) when I was young and I remember thinking to myself at much earlier points on the course, why couldn't he have died here?
The tale as we tell it is, sadly, provably an apocryphal later invention. He is in Herodotus, but despite what is usually said the story Herodotus actually tells is much less 'perfected'. I am going off memory, but in the original Herodotian version he is a professional runner who runs to Sparta from Athens in a day or two. On the way, he believes Pan spoke to him and chastised the Athenians for not paying him tribute despite all his help in the war. The runner gives a rousing plea to Sparta when he reaches the city, who are moved by his patriotism, but their religious law don't let them send out their forces until the moon is full, too late. Phillippides/Pheidippides returns to Athens in quick time again to deliver the news of the Spartan forces timeline, and after the war the marathon is established as an annual event in honor of Pan, righting the perceived wrong to the God. Obviously he did not really talk to a God, but all the human events are more believable. The version we know today comes from Lucian centuries later, after the tale has been told and retold and crafted into a perfect story. The Greeks themselves when they were an independent people never believed the tale told today.

Mid-marathon seems to be about the only time it is appropriate to wish whatever-his-name-was had hurried on up and died a little bit sooner

He may not be the greatest track athlete, but I am only half joking in putting him. Even 2,500 years later the primary form the running sport takes in our culture is in testament to his achievement, great speed, and his patriotism. Not many athletes of any kind can match his 'impact' element.
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Rolling Stones
Phish
Led Zeppelin
The Who
Taylor Swift
Mercyful Fate
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Metallica
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Grateful Dead
Velvet Underground
Bob Marley
Rolling Stones
Phish
Led Zeppelin
The Who
Taylor Swift
All USA version (excluding your four)

Allman Brothers
Government Mule
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Widespread Panic
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Rolling Stones
Phish
Led Zeppelin
The Who
Taylor Swift
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
The Who
Led Zeppelin
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Bob Dylan
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I don't have a card of his but the King would be in my top 9 if I was doing a binder page.


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A few more miscellaneous GOAT types.
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Velvet Underground
Bob Marley
Rolling Stones
Phish
Led Zeppelin
The Who
Taylor Swift
Beatles
Pink Floyd
Led Zeppelin
Bob Dylan
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Guns N Roses
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Bob Dylan
U2
Tool
Queens of the Stone Age
Guns N Roses
Pearl Jam
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Fleetwood Mac (only with Buckingham), Queen, Nirvana, and Metallica deserve to at least be in the discussion for bands. The Beatles are the clear GOAT for bands. For individual artists, Michael Jackson is the clear GOAT.
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The Rolling Stones have outlasted the Beatles by what, 54 years? Hmmm ....
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The Rolling Stones have outlasted the Beatles by what, 54 years? Hmmm ....
So you would have to agree that Spahn is a better pitcher than Koufax. I like it.
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The Rolling Stones have outlasted the Beatles by what, 54 years? Hmmm ....
And yet The Beatles have more #1 albums, #1 singles and total records sold than The Rolling Stones. The GOAT of solo artists is Elvis Presley. Worldwide Elvis has sold 2.5 billion records. He has more #1 singles and albums than MJ.
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Al Jolson
Paul Robeson - google him and his bio
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Judy Garland
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Al Jolson
Paul Robeson - google him and his bio
Frank Sinatra
Judy Garland
Peter, Paul & Mary - and what their music stood for
Pavarotti
Elvis
The Beatles
Marilyn Monroe - maybe her voice is so-so but who cares?
OK here's a man after my heart. This deserves some cards.
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Fun thread...since it's gone in different directions...I'll post about music too...here's 9...

Depeche Mode
New Order
The Cure
U2
Tears for Fears
The Clash
Talking Heads
Rolling Stones
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