HELP: Player identification

RUKen · #1 09-12-2024, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucs9

I would appreciate help to identify the players in the attached c. 1906 snapshot (other than Honus Wagner). It is a challenge.
Thanks

I believe the image is from 1907 and features Ed Abbaticchio, Deacon Phillippe, Pat Flaherty, Joe Nealon, Claude Ritchey, maybe Alan Storke, and Honus Wagner.

Edited to add: Some of these IDs must be wrong; see posts 26 and 27.

Bucs9 · #2 09-12-2024, 11:23 AM

Is that from your observation or have you seen the image before with the players identified as such?

RUKen · #3 09-12-2024, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucs9

Is that from your observation or have you seen the image before with the players identified as such?

I have previously seen this image, but not with identifications. The IDs are my own (sorry I hadn't made that clear). I'm pretty certain about most of them, including Abbaticchio. He was only with the Pirates 1907-1909. Since he is wearing a different uniform in the photo, it seems likely that this is from spring training of 1907, when the players would have been wearing their old uniforms from 1906.

Edited to add: I wrote this before being reminded that Abbaticchio was received in a trade for Ritchey, Flaherty, and Clarence Beaumont. Duh!

Cliff Bowman · #4 09-12-2024, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RUKen

I believe the image is from 1907 and features Ed Abbaticchio, Deacon Phillippe, Pat Flaherty, Joe Nealon, Claude Ritchey, maybe Alan Storke, and Honus Wagner.

That combination isn't possible and it cannot be 1907 because of a trade that happened December 11 1906: the Pirates traded Claude Ritchey, Patsy Flaherty, and Ginger Beaumont to the Boston Nationals for Ed Abbaticchio. I don't think there is any disputing the fifth player in the middle is Claude Ritchey.

RUKen · #5 09-12-2024, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

That combination isn't possible and it cannot be 1907 because of a trade that happened December 11 1906: the Pirates traded Claude Ritchey, Patsy Flaherty, and Ginger Beaumont to the Boston Nationals for Ed Abbaticchio. I don't think there is any disputing the fifth player in the middle is Claude Ritchey.

AARGH! I agree. I withdraw my proposed date. It's not Abbaticchio on the left (maybe Leever as you proposed, or possibly Tommy Sheehan), but I still feel confident that Flaherty is in the picture. Storke debuted late in the 1906 season, so he is probably not the man next to Wagner.

RUKen · #6 09-12-2024, 07:56 PM

In an attempt to redeem myself for mistakenly claiming Ed Abbaticchio to be in the picture, I am attaching below a couple of images of Pat Flaherty to support my identification of him in the group photo.

Cliff Bowman · #7 09-12-2024, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RUKen

In an attempt to redeem myself for mistakenly claiming Ed Abbaticchio to be in the picture, I am attaching below a couple of images of Pat Flaherty to support my identification of him in the group photo.

I think you're right on it being Flaherty and not Gibson. Flaherty didn't play for the Pirates in 1906 but was in their organization all year.

RUKen · #8 09-13-2024, 04:21 PM

I've been looking through the Pittsburgh newspapers to see who was in spring training with them in 1906. Players who trained with them but did not appear in a regular-season game included Frank Oberlin, Harry Newmyer, and W.B. "Doc" Moskiman. I believe that Moskiman is a good match for the player second from right in the group photo.

RUKen · #9 09-13-2024, 04:42 PM

FWIW, the image of Bob Ganley published in the February 18, 1906, edition of the Pittsburg Press shows him in a white cap. He played part of the 1905 season with the Pirates and part with Des Moines of the Western League. Players usually wore their uniforms from the previous season in spring training. The Pirates had not had white caps since 1900, so it seems unlikely to me that Sam Leever (who had been a Pirate since 1898) would be wearing anything other than a dark-colored Pirate cap. I suggest that the player on the far left may be Ganley, and the second player is Deacon Phillippe. I've attached Ganley images below. (The image on the far right is the 1906 Press image.)

Mark17 · #10 09-13-2024, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RUKen

FWIW, the image of Bob Ganley published in the February 18, 1906, edition of the Pittsburg Press shows him in a white cap. He played part of the 1905 season with the Pirates and part with Des Moines of the Western League. Players usually wore their uniforms from the previous season in spring training. The Pirates had not had white caps since 1900, so it seems unlikely to me that Sam Leever (who had been a Pirate since 1898) would be wearing anything other than a dark-colored Pirate cap. I suggest that the player on the far left may be Ganley, and the second player is Deacon Phillippe. I've attached Ganley images below. (The image on the far right is the 1906 Press image.)

I realize the angle can be deceptive, but aren't Ganley's ears too low relative to his eyes?

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