Which Jackie would you buy?

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Snowman

There are numerous differences when you examine them closely, but here are a few that make it easy to detect right away, circled in yellow in the images below.

• The top left corner of the image box on a Type 1 is sharper and protrudes out to the left, whereas on the Type 2, it has more of a smooth rounded corner
• The stars on the left edge of the name box has a partial white star at the top of the box in the Type 1s that isn't present on the Type 2s
• The top border black line is more slanted on the Type 1 than on the Type 2
• There is often a small print mark on Type 1s at the bottom right corner in the border, as shown in the SGC 8 in the OP
• There is sometimes a small fisheye near Jackie's hat in the Type 2s that isn't present in the Type 1s (but isn't always present in Type 2s)
• On the back, the threads on the baseball face right in the Type 2s (top image shown below) and they face left in the Type 1s
• The right edge of the text box alignment extends further to the right on Type 1s than it does on Type 2s

Thanks for all the info and laid out so nicely! Very informative. What version is the more desirable?

[ClementeFanOh]

AJ- I'd go with the SGC by a hair. Amazing the number of folks who reply
while ignoring your direct question. You can lead a horse to water...

Trent King

[Rhotchkiss]

SGC crushes in my opinion

That said, I don’t like the picture tilt for that grade, and as others stated, I would pass and wait for a better centered one, especially in an 8

[bk400]

Sgc

[The Detroit Collector]

Put me in with a vote for SGC

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Was Jackie a known double print? On some of the cards in the thread the image rides up to the right in comparison to the top edge, yet at the bottom border the image and the edge are perfectly parallel. So the image just isn't square. On other pictures it's perfectly square, all sides of the image are parallel to each other. This CAN'T be a cut issue as it's the actual picture of Jackie that's not square, nothing to do with the shape of the card.

EDIT: I just looked more closely, all of the diagonal cut images also have the dot in the upper right corner of the tooling too. Must be a double print like the Mantle.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

From my calculations there's only 51 total 8's graded PSA & SGC. Not a lot to choose from. And I'm always fascinated at previous grades by both as far as consistency goes. Here's some other 8's I was able to find. Seems the two up now are in line with these others....what do you think?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Was Jackie a known double print? On some of the cards in the thread the image rides up to the right in comparison to the top edge, yet at the bottom border the image and the edge are perfectly parallel. So the image just isn't square. On other pictures it's perfectly square, all sides of the image are parallel to each other. This CAN'T be a cut issue as it's the actual picture of Jackie that's not square, nothing to do with the shape of the card.

EDIT: I just looked more closely, all of the diagonal cut images also have the dot in the upper right corner of the tooling too. Must be a double print like the Mantle.

Yes, cards 311 (Mantle), 312 (Jackie), and 313 (Bobby Thompson) were all double printed. Everyone knows about the Mantle, but not many know about the Jackie. See my post above showing the differences between the Type 1 and Type 2 Jackies. The central images (black borders) are out of square, as you mentioned, but it is more pronounced on the Type 1. This is actually one of the easiest ways to spot a trimmed 52 Topps Jackie. Some of the trimmers didn't know that the image itself was out of square, so they would trim the top edge parallel to the black border thinking they were correcting a diamond cut, when in actuality, they were creating one.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Was Jackie a known double print? On some of the cards in the thread the image rides up to the right in comparison to the top edge, yet at the bottom border the image and the edge are perfectly parallel. So the image just isn't square. On other pictures it's perfectly square, all sides of the image are parallel to each other. This CAN'T be a cut issue as it's the actual picture of Jackie that's not square, nothing to do with the shape of the card.

EDIT: I just looked more closely, all of the diagonal cut images also have the dot in the upper right corner of the tooling too. Must be a double print like the Mantle.

Cards 311, 312 and 313 are all known double prints. To be best of my recollection, the sheets were 100 cards and since there were only 97 cards printed in the final series, they just started with 311-3 to finish off the sheet. So yes this is fairly well known amongst 52 collectors

Rich

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

Thanks for all the info and laid out so nicely! Very informative. What version is the more desirable?

I have a very slight preference for the type 2, but the market values them equivalently and I'd never pass on a type 1 that fits my centering and condition criteria