Goldin's Vintage Auction Preview is open and wow

oldjudge · #1 10-02-2024, 09:35 AM

I agree with Jeff--Joe T is like the first lyrics of "The Candyman":

Who can take the sunrise
Sprinkle it with dew
Cover it in chocolate and a miracle or two?

How did ML ever let him get away?

Leon · #2 10-02-2024, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

I agree with Jeff--Joe T is like the first lyrics of "The Candyman":

Who can take the sunrise
Sprinkle it with dew
Cover it in chocolate and a miracle or two?

How did ML ever let him get away?

Big mistake.
.

bigfish · #3 10-06-2024, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Big mistake.
.

HUGE blunder by memory lane.

mrreality68 · #4 10-27-2024, 08:38 AM

So it ended

How did everyone do?
What are the thoughts on the results? The prices? Etc

calvindog · #5 10-27-2024, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68

So it ended

How did everyone do?
What are the thoughts on the results? The prices? Etc

I think the auction was a reflection of the changing market. The great cards did really well -- the Sport Kings signed Ruth was a beauty and took off at the end. Many of the lesser, but still really nice Ruths, didn't do as well. The W600 Matty finished out of this world. The 1954 Topps Aaron PSA 7 broke out of a tight range by a mile. The E107 set did really well I thought as did the 1915 SGC 7 Joe Jackson. I thought the 1933 Goudey Lajoie PSA 3MK did really well but that was a great card for the grade.

Even the Henry Reccius Wagner finished at an insane number although it appears it didn't sell due to a reserve. The card was at like 900K and still didn't sell which is laughable as 20 years ago the card was in an A holder and no one knew if the card was actually printed in the early 1900s. But getting it into a numbered holder and changing the date on the flip to the late 1890s apparently added 850K of value to the card.

All in all, some prices were great and set ridiculous records and many were a little soft (like the signed Ruth/Ruth wife check -- how did that go so cheap?). But the market is not as robust as it was unless you're buying the most desired cards.

To me, the auction was the most exciting one I've been involved in for a long while. The Goldin software usually drives me crazy when I'm perusing the site, but last night it was all really smooth and the auction went off without a hitch. I don't know how they're going to follow up this one with a similarly spectacular auction next quarter. It was the most serious vintage auction in a long time and really a new look from Goldin. Kudos to Joe T and Ken.

oldjudge · #6 10-27-2024, 09:59 AM

I agree with Jeff! Ryan's E107's did great --congratulations Ryan. The Ruth rookie was weak. I believe the exact same card sold in Goldin in October of 2023 and over the year period the price dropped almost exactly 20%. I also think that the reserve on the Reccius Wagner was too high. I remember, about 15-20 years ago, when a board member owned one and many of us were convinced that it was issued as some sort of commemorative card sometime between 1900 and 1910. I have yet to see any evidence that convinces me otherwise.

calvindog · #7 10-27-2024, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

I agree with Jeff! Ryan's E107's did great --congratulations Ryan. The Ruth rookie was weak. I believe the exact same card sold in Goldin in October of 2023 and over the year period the price dropped almost exactly 20%. I also think that the reserve on the Reccius Wagner was too high. I remember, about 15-20 years ago, when a board member owned one and many of us were convinced that it was issued as some sort of commemorative card sometime between 1900 and 1910. I have yet to see any evidence that convinces me otherwise.

Just the flip.

. Even Joe T couldn�t push that dog over the finish line and that says a lot. The consigner should have taken that result and run, thankful that the people bidding on it didn�t know its history.

mordecaibrown1 · #8 10-27-2024, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68

So it ended

How did everyone do?
What are the thoughts on the results? The prices? Etc

The special items that if you don't grab it you may never see it again, or at lease not for some time does great! And the stuff you see over and over again does ok.

samosa4u · #9 10-27-2024, 07:21 PM

I had quite a few cards on my watch list last night. Some of them ended above comps and others below. I was thinking of going after one of the lower grade 51B Mantles, but they went too high, IMO.

The PSA 6 Leaf Jackie went for only 22k.

Anyways, I won a Ruth for a decent price and so I'm happy about that!

MVSNYC · #10 10-27-2024, 07:52 PM

The PSA 6 Leaf Jackie that went for only $22k was some sort of anomaly. I've been tracking them, and just days earlier a PSA 5 sold for $25k in a Collect Auction. This example somehow slid under the radar; congrats to the winner!

Ryan, really thrilled for you! Congrats man!

PS- A market observation: signed cards, especially Mantle, Mays, Aaron, Clemente, etc., continue to be red hot. The Mays signed rookie went for $50K! And a diverse mix of (very nice) signed Mantle cards sold last night for around $6-10k each, with several north of $20k. Definitely a robust pricing uptick in that sector.

calvindog · #11 10-02-2024, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

I agree with Jeff--Joe T is like the first lyrics of "The Candyman":

Who can take the sunrise
Sprinkle it with dew
Cover it in chocolate and a miracle or two?

How did ML ever let him get away?

Absolute madness. If I was starting an auction house, I�d want my first three employees to be Joe T. Ken, to his credit, saw this.

Exhibitman · #12 10-03-2024, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

I agree with Jeff--Joe T is like the first lyrics of "The Candyman":

Who can take the sunrise
Sprinkle it with dew
Cover it in chocolate and a miracle or two?

How did ML ever let him get away?

Maybe eBay threw some bucks and/or options at him?

puckpaul · #13 10-03-2024, 04:41 PM

Not unique to Goldin, but the hyperbole in many of the descriptions is just too over the top. For most people who are bidding on these big lots, the sales job is unnecessary:

The assessment is due to even corner wear (with a few diminutive surface abrasions near several corners) and some negligible toning on both sides, none of which compromising the resounding central image that can literally take your breath away.

Worthy of a final resting place in the most esteemed rookie card gathering, we cannot even begin to estimate the lofty value

revealing the one and only Bambino in a classic pitching pose long before he would be walloping horsehide spheres into Yankee Stadium�s grandstands.

�Horsehide spheres�??! Lol

oldjudge · #14 10-04-2024, 12:15 PM

You may not like Joe's descriptions (I do) but besides the adjectives he does better analytic work than anyone out there. Look at the results--Joe's write-up's generate extra dollars for consignors.

sb1 · #15 10-04-2024, 01:37 PM

I like Joe as much as the next guy, but I have to say in 30+ years of auction bidding I have never bid a single increment higher based on an auction write up. I don't think many people even read the descriptions anymore??

gunboat82 · #16 10-04-2024, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sb1

I like Joe as much as the next guy, but I have to say in 30+ years of auction bidding I have never bid a single increment higher based on an auction write up. I don't think many people even read the descriptions anymore??

I read the descriptions, and sometimes I throw money at cards just for the prose. Like this one: https://goldin.co/item/1921-w521-han...authentic2hw6g

Quote:

A significant shift in the placement of the portrayal's red background hue—creating a visual effect of a subject standing in front of a mirror—is more intriguing than disruptive.

I was planning to scroll right by because it gave me a headache. But when I was told that effect is actually "intriguing," not "disruptive," it gave me pause. Now I kind of want to own the card so I can see what it looks through 3-D glasses. So, yeah, I'm high bidder.

JollyElm · #17 10-04-2024, 03:43 PM

196. Hyperbolshitter
Someone who completely overhypes what they are selling by flooding the listing with adjectives and all sorts of superfluous blather like �Highlighted by deep rich colors� or �...and the beautiful image dovetails into the pristine snow white borders.�

Peter_Spaeth · #18 10-05-2024, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by puckpaul

Not unique to Goldin, but the hyperbole in many of the descriptions is just too over the top. For most people who are bidding on these big lots, the sales job is unnecessary:

The assessment is due to even corner wear (with a few diminutive surface abrasions near several corners) and some negligible toning on both sides, none of which compromising the resounding central image that can literally take your breath away.

Worthy of a final resting place in the most esteemed rookie card gathering, we cannot even begin to estimate the lofty value

revealing the one and only Bambino in a classic pitching pose long before he would be walloping horsehide spheres into Yankee Stadium�s grandstands.

�Horsehide spheres�??! Lol

Sounds like a parody lol. Brian Drent used to have descriptions like that, maybe he still does, but I always thought there was an element of tongue in cheek there.

Snapolit1 · #19 10-06-2024, 01:04 PM

Personally I think �horsehide orbs� would be more effective.

Someone reading could think a baseball is oval or even made from pigskin. This clear that up nicely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Not unique to Goldin, but the hyperbole in many of the descriptions is just too over the top. For most people who are bidding on these big lots, the sales job is unnecessary:

The assessment is due to even corner wear (with a few diminutive surface abrasions near several corners) and some negligible toning on both sides, none of which compromising the resounding central image that can literally take your breath away.

Worthy of a final resting place in the most esteemed rookie card gathering, we cannot even begin to estimate the lofty value

revealing the one and only Bambino in a classic pitching pose long before he would be walloping horsehide spheres into Yankee Stadium�s grandstands.

�Horsehide spheres�??! Lol

oldjudge · #20 10-06-2024, 02:31 PM

Just imagine the competition amongst cemeteries for the top registry sets. Each slab would be a 1/1. An auction business, where I'm sure the auction houses would pay the slabbing, would probably develop.

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