Revisiting 1963 Topps Mantle Potential Color Variant

[packs]

My own personal theory is the card is missing color and if it had all of the color it was meant to receive, it would pop like the cards you're used to seeing. And it would fade the same way if it were faded, i.e. not turn blue but a more tired version of green.

That's my theory anyway. I think the entire front of the card is incomplete, not just the box.

If anyone at all has a 1963 Topps card that is similar I'd love to see it. It would be easier to debate whether the cards would fade this way if they were faded. Especially if the card was from an entirely different series.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by packs

My own personal theory is the card is missing color and if it had all of the color it was meant to receive, it would pop like the cards you're used to seeing. And it would fade the same way if it were faded, i.e. not turn blue but a more tired version of green.

That's my theory anyway. I think the entire front of the card is incomplete, not just the box.

If anyone at all has a 1963 Topps card that is similar I'd love to see it. It would be easier to debate whether the cards would fade this way if they were faded. Especially if the card was from an entirely different series.

If you are paying a premium for them let me know how much and how many you would like to buy.

Here this thread has some pictures of how cards change color when faded.
https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...ank+aaron+blue

[packs]

Show me a 1963 Topps common that faded into a blue box. It should be simple but it’s not and that’s what I’m pointing out.

There are cards in the set issued with standard blue boxes and the green boxes clearly have blue beneath them. I don’t find this as unusual as you do. If it was an independent color not otherwise in use, sure. But it’s not out of place either.

[packs]

I’d also like to point out the condition of the cards. Technical grades aside, all three cards are pretty sharp and don’t give me the impression they were cast aside or left unattended for decades in the sun.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by packs

I’d also like to point out the condition of the cards. Technical grades aside, all three cards are pretty sharp and don’t give me the impression they were cast aside or left unattended for decades in the sun.

OK lets make this extremely simple. YOU send me a 1963 Mantle or any other card from the set with the green bottom plus $500. If I can't turn it blue I will return the card and $1000. After I turn the green blue I will post several pics of the color change on here and return the card to you minus my $500 educational fee. We will use your card that way there is no way of you saying it is a different card. It does not take decades and yes I have done it with a 63 Topps card before.

[G1911]

100% fading. I can make these cards in my home easily, removing all of the green or only patterns and parts of it.

Red to Orange on T cards are faded or glue altered. Green to blue on Topps is likewise almost always fading. None of these cards shown left the factory that way and are just heavily damaged.

[packs]

Originally Posted by bnorth

OK lets make this extremely simple. YOU send me a 1963 Mantle or any other card from the set with the green bottom plus $500. If I can't turn it blue I will return the card and $1000. After I turn the green blue I will post several pics of the color change on here and return the card to you minus my $500 educational fee. We will use your card that way there is no way of you saying it is a different card. It does not take decades and yes I have done it with a 63 Topps card before.

I'm still struggling to understand your point. You're saying you can purposely manipulate cards to mirror this wear, but how does that confirm that this type of wear is natural?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm still struggling to understand your point. You're saying you can purposely manipulate cards to mirror this wear, but how does that confirm that this type of wear is natural?

What does wear have to do with color?

I get it you want to believe you have some cool super rare card but in reality you have some faded garbage. Like I said I was really sad when I found out the same thing in my collection.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm still struggling to understand your point. You're saying you can purposely manipulate cards to mirror this wear, but how does that confirm that this type of wear is natural?

It seems logical to me. He is saying he can accelerate what would be a longer, natural process of sun fading, to show the effect fading can have on color.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by packs

That's my theory anyway. I think the entire front of the card is incomplete, not just the box.

It's weird that you would purposely misconstrue what I said.

In referring to the horizontal nameplate ("box"), that portion of the normal card is bright green. Since green is the result of mixing yellow and cyan ("blue"), pointing out that there is yellow evident there means there was undoubtedly yellow printed across the ENTIRE front of the card (skin tones, etc.) and wasn't 'missing' (on that one card, at least).
Obviously, it's just the easiest place to spot the color, seeing how green that section was supposed to be, and that's why I specifically referenced it.