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Old 10-17-2024, 12:57 PM
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I enjoyed listening to the program--I stated selling cards in 1977-78--but I met Mastro years ago, we were not buddies--but I knew him--but listening to him, I enjoyed it and his love for the hobby--The other guy drove me crazy budding in all the time--I really wanted to hear Mastro with his story. Thanks for the listing Peter.

Yeah, the guy who conducted the interview was tripping over himself interrupting and making irrelevant comments about his own experiences. I wished for a large part of the middle section that he would just shut up.

But all in all, worth listening to for Bill’s perspective. If that guy made it happen, then more power to him.


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Yeah, the guy who conducted the interview was tripping over himself interrupting and making irrelevant comments about his own experiences. I wished for a large part of the middle section that he would just shut up.

But all in all, worth listening to for Bill’s perspective. If that guy made it happen, then more power to him.


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That is Brian Gray being Brian Gray. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sort of an unlikely interviewer, no? A guy firmly in the world of shiny stuff.

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Sort of an unlikely interviewer, no? A guy firmly in the world of shiny stuff.

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I have never heard of that guy. But he mentions being chummy with Dr. Jim, and thus I assume he knows Rich as well.

I appreciate that he took the time to put that interview together.


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I have never heard of that guy. But he mentions being chummy with Dr. Jim, and thus I assume he knows Rich as well.

I appreciate that he took the time to put that interview together.


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Sort of an unlikely interviewer, no? A guy firmly in the world of shiny stuff.

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Brian Gray is hands down my favorite person to listen to in the hobby. He always gives great interviews and has wealth of insight. This is the first time I've seen him as the one conducting the interview though, rather than the other way around. He always seems to have his finger on the pulse.
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Brian Gray is hands down my favorite person to listen to in the hobby. He always gives great interviews and has wealth of insight. This is the first time I've seen him as the one conducting the interview though, rather than the other way around. He always seems to have his finger on the pulse.

Surprised no one brought up Brian's quick jab at auction houses in specific states when it comes to houses bidding against customers.

https://youtu.be/Omp0P5kJ9Cs?si=LDJLz_WIZ1BYNHol&t=2754

Others such as Dave also brought this up.
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My apologies for my ignorance, but given his criminal behavior I will not watch the interview.
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My apologies for my ignorance, but given his criminal behavior I will not watch the interview.
When I first read Brian's comment, I thought his reaction was "odd" or a little "off base." I was able to watch 1:25 and then I had to turn it off. I feel like I need a shower. That was, frankly, disgusting not only in terms of what they were celebrating and normalizing, but in terms of things they never even addressed (conveniently). Frankly, at the end of 85 minutes, I have far less respect for "the interviewer" than I do for Mastro.

Its a real god damn shame that professionalism and expertise have gone by the wayside and any clown with a platform can host with the same weight and credentials as someone who.......knows what they're doing. That was an intense disservice to the entire industry.
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Surprised no one brought up Brian's quick jab at auction houses in specific states when it comes to houses bidding against customers.

https://youtu.be/Omp0P5kJ9Cs?si=LDJLz_WIZ1BYNHol&t=2754

Others such as Dave also brought this up.
Agreed, TJ. I had a weird experience with Iconic Auctions recently where there was a bid against me on a Babe Ruth cut auto in or right before extended, so it looked to me like I lost as the underbidder. Then they contacted me in the morning saying that I could purchase it for my high (under)bid, because the seller decided that they would lower the reserve. I didn't see anything on the listing about it having a reserve and when I inquired more, they dodged my questions and just pressed to know if I'd buy it or not. I wonder if Arizona is one of these states Brian was referring to where AH's can be a fake bidder with up to the reserve... which I, of course, did not know about and do not like.
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Surprised no one brought up Brian's quick jab at auction houses in specific states when it comes to houses bidding against customers.

https://youtu.be/Omp0P5kJ9Cs?si=LDJLz_WIZ1BYNHol&t=2754

Others such as Dave also brought this up.
Was Brian somehow, someway unaware that much of Bill’s criminal behavior running Mastro Auctions was his creation of fake accounts to run up his customers’ bids while knowing what their ceiling bids were? And his telling Mastro employees to secretly hit lots over and over to run up the prices, creating hidden reserves?

I feel like I’ve just taken crazy pills and somehow no one recalls who and what Bill Mastro is.
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Was Brian somehow, someway unaware that much of Bill’s criminal behavior running Mastro Auctions was his creation of fake accounts to run up his customers’ bids while knowing what their ceiling bids were? And his telling Mastro employees to secretly hit lots over and over to run up the prices, creating hidden reserves?

I feel like I’ve just taken crazy pills and somehow no one recalls who and what Bill Mastro is.
I feel that way about several in the hobby. On the flip side I heard Bill sent out some nice gift baskets to those that said good things about him before he done his time.
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Was Brian somehow, someway unaware that much of Bill’s criminal behavior running Mastro Auctions was his creation of fake accounts to run up his customers’ bids while knowing what their ceiling bids were? And his telling Mastro employees to secretly hit lots over and over to run up the prices, creating hidden reserves?

I feel like I’ve just taken crazy pills and somehow no one recalls who and what Bill Mastro is.
100% agree. Too many people in get hobby are easily forgiven for fraud. A few even made a comeback this summer. It’s BS.
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Brian Gray is hands down my favorite person to listen to in the hobby. He always gives great interviews and has wealth of insight. This is the first time I've seen him as the one conducting the interview though, rather than the other way around. He always seems to have his finger on the pulse.
Out of all of Travis's hotly contested takes in the thread, this is the one that gives me most concern.
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I brought and sold a Ty Cobb graded 3.5 due to the fact the card had 4 smashed corners, done on purpose or was strewed down tight in a holder, the problem I found later was very obvious using a Black Light-the card was overall nice, but I didn't want it---its issue showed strong on the reverse--you might want to check yours--if it doesn't brother you, that's okay, but the card was not for me--
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I brought and sold a Ty Cobb graded 3.5 due to the fact the card had 4 smashed corners, done on purpose or was strewed down tight in a holder, the problem I found later was very obvious using a Black Light-the card was overall nice, but I didn't want it---its issue showed strong on the reverse--you might want to check yours--if it doesn't brother you, that's okay, but the card was not for me--
What was the issue with the card that made you not want it? And why would anyone smash the corners on purpose?
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Out of all of Travis's hotly contested takes in the thread, this is the one that gives me most concern.
Brian Gray will always tell what he thinks at any point in time. If you really listen to Brian, you will get a pulse of what is happening at that point in time. And Brian does bring a very original perspective as he has owned and managed stores/been a distributor/owned and ran a card company/been a show dealer and even been a collector. That's quite the breadth of experience.

On this point (and this point specifically) I agree with Travis.

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I am assuming that the change in PSA's language was / is a direct result of Kurt's products, but can anyone confirm that?

Can it also be confirmed that only one (what I first heard) of Kurt's subs was invalidated by PSA? Or did they blackball him completely?
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Darn, of all the times to be on vacation, I missed all the fun. My favorite topic! Peter, thanks for referencing the post from last year.

Yes Peter, you can charge someone with whatever the hell charges you want in an indictment. Obviously, some threshold has to be met, but just because something is listed on an indictment doesn't mean they are guilty of said charges. Hence in a trial, the jury gives verdicts for each charge.

One of my favorite quotes "You could indict a ham sandwich".

How about your garden variety card, let's just arbitrarily say a 1956 Mantle PSA 6. Let's say I have two very similar examples. Both are trimmed, but it isn't obvious to most. I sell one with no disclosure. I sell the other in the same venue, but disclose prominently that I lightly trimmed it. Same price?


Sadly, as long as they are in slabs, I think a large percentage of buyers wouldn't care.

Lastly, I thoroughly enjoyed the interview and would recommend watching it in its entirety.
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Brian Gray will always tell what he thinks at any point in time. If you really listen to Brian, you will get a pulse of what is happening at that point in time. And Brian does bring a very original perspective as he has owned and managed stores/been a distributor/owned and ran a card company/been a show dealer and even been a collector. That's quite the breadth of experience.

On this point (and this point specifically) I agree with Travis.

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