Cutting cards from an uncut sheet????

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

What law is this?

Not saying you are wrong…..but it sure does sound like a gigantic pile of bullshit.

What else would you expect from a guy who includes 'Lawyer' as part of his screen name on a baseball card forum?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Snowman

What else would you expect from a guy who includes 'Lawyer' as part of his screen name on a baseball card forum?

Similar to what I would expect from a mathematician who calls himself snowman. Am I safe in assuming you tip the scales around 5 bills?

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Similar to what I would expect from a mathematician who calls himself snowman.

Personally I'm a fan of both mathematicians and snowmen.



But undisclosed card altering? Not at all.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Personally I'm a fan of both mathematicians and snowmen.



But undisclosed card altering? Not at all.

I don't alter cards.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I don't alter cards.

When paper fibers are wet and subsequently dry, they are forever changed on a fundamental level. You may not see it with your naked eye, but the card is altered by definition. There is no argument otherwise.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1557/PROC-267-429

alter verb (CHANGE)

to change something, usually slightly, or to cause the characteristics of something to change:

Therefore, a change in the fiber structure of the paper literally alters it.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

When paper fibers are wet and subsequently dry, they are forever changed on a fundamental level. You may not see it with your naked eye, but the card is altered by definition. There is no argument otherwise.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1557/PROC-267-429

alter verb (CHANGE)

to change something, usually slightly, or to cause the characteristics of something to change:

Therefore, a change in the fiber structure of the paper literally alters it.

In other past threads he has redefined words from their actual meaning, so that an 'altered' card is a card with a crease or something, damage after creation, and thus by removing the damage he is not 'altering' a card. Thus none of his doctoring is 'altering'.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

When paper fibers are wet and subsequently dry, they are forever changed on a fundamental level. You may not see it with your naked eye, but the card is altered by definition. There is no argument otherwise.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1557/PROC-267-429

alter verb (CHANGE)

to change something, usually slightly, or to cause the characteristics of something to change:

Therefore, a change in the fiber structure of the paper literally alters it.

Complete and utter nonsense. Do you even know how paper gets made you dumb f*?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Complete and utter nonsense. Do you even know how paper gets made you dumb f*?

LOL yes, the scholarly article is wrong and every scientist who studies cellulose fibers as well, but a scamming mathematician knows it all. :rollseyes:

The fact that water is used in the process to create paper and setup the structure of the fibers, doesn't prove using water isn't alteration. In fact, it proves the major effect water has on them in breaking down the bonds.

You truly are incredible. You are either really dumb, or seriously grasping at straws to defend your shady practices. Just take a hike you scamming piece of garbage. I'm done with you. If the best you can do in response to scientific proof of alteration is "that peer reviewed study is nonsense," then rational discussion with you is useless. Welcome to the first spot on my ignore list.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Complete and utter nonsense. Do you even know how paper gets made you dumb f*?

I do, grew up in a paper town, have been in operating paper plants, and have another hobby where studying the paper something was printed on can make a huge difference in value.

The posted article was behind a paywall, requiring either a login from an institution, or paying 39.95 for it.

The introduction, which I could read was good.

Not all of the cardstock we deal with in prewar is cellulose, T206s have very little wood fiber.
Most papers used also have stuff to help the fibers adhere to each other outside of the bonds from that article. And coatings to make the printing better or easier.

All that can be affected by water, although the effect may not be a huge immediate problem. Long term, I'm less certain. Conservators of posters and other things do wet them to help them unfold and lay flat without damage. It's entirely possible they're trading very likely immediate damage for potential lower level damage in the future.