Most undervalued HOFers

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

But I don't hate head shots / Topps profiles. In some cases it was cool to get a glimpse of the player close up. The '58 Ted Williams is one I just love because of that; he looks pissed at the world.

(Not mine.)

Maybe Manager Joe Cronin just finished reminding Williams that half the game was fielding.

Or the Red Sox' new hitting coach started talking to him about launch angles and exit velocities....

Originally Posted by jchcollins

As a kid, with no knowledge of hobby history or set rarity or anything, I gravitated towards the idea that the older the card was, the better. Thus by this logic, a 1952 Topps Duke Snider was worth much more than a 1956 Topps Duke Snider - even if I really liked 56's and would have maybe objectively come to the conclusion on my own that it was the better card.

Oh yeah! As kids it was very much the case that older meant rarer. When in the late spring of 1963 a buddy and I decided to collect any and all cards, any cards older than 1960-61 Hockey cards were already scarce. So while we had hundreds of 1961 Baseball cards, finding any 1960 Baseball cards at all was an exciting event. And pre-1957 Baseball cards were a complete curiousity. I'm not sure we managed to acquire even a dozen 1952-56 Topps Baseball cards out of the something like the 6500 cards we accumulated in the next 2 1/2 years.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Maybe Manager Joe Cronin just finished reminding Williams that half the game was fielding.

Or the Red Sox' new hitting coach started talking to him about launch angles and exit velocities....





Oh yeah! As kids it was very much the case that older meant rarer. When in the late spring of 1963 a buddy and I decided to collect any and all cards, any cards older than 1960-61 Hockey cards were already scarce. So while we had hundreds of 1961 Baseball cards, finding any 1960 Baseball cards at all was an exciting event. And pre-1957 Baseball cards were a complete curiousity. I'm not sure we managed to acquire even a dozen 1952-56 Topps Baseball cards out of the something like the 6500 cards we accumulated in the next 2 1/2 years.

Interesting. I had sort of the opposite experience. My brothers and I first started buying 1965 Topps, but we ended up having a ton of earlier cards all the way back to 1952, whether from the kid across the street whose older brother had left him a massive collection, or my parents' friends who knew we collected and gave us their (older) kids' old collections, or trading with friends who had acquired them in probably similar ways.

No one gave a thought to value of course. I remember my girlfriend in high school had a little sister who loved baseball, so I gave her maybe 5 each of Mantle and Mays, we had dozens.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Interesting. I had sort of the opposite experience. My brothers and I first started buying 1965 Topps, but we ended up having a ton of earlier cards all the way back to 1952, whether from the kid across the street whose older brother had left him a massive collection, or my parents' friends who knew we collected and gave us their (older) kids' old collections, or trading with friends who had acquired them in probably similar ways.

No one gave a thought to value of course. I remember my girlfriend in high school had a little sister who loved baseball, so I gave her maybe 5 each of Mantle and Mays, we had dozens.

See, the thread you didn’t want to exist at first brought you down a wonderful memory lane!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

See, the thread you didn’t want to exist at first brought you down a wonderful memory lane!

Can nobody on this board read? Jesus. For the third time, I was only trying to suggest to the OP other threads where he might see other answers, I was not indicating any objection to this thread, which obviously I don't have as I have been participating. In other words, you might ALSO want to take a look at X, to broaden the range of responses. Since I suck at using the search function, I wasn't able to link them myself, thus the comment about the search function. But go ahead, add to the litany of stupid comments directed at me. Is this your second in three days maybe? You had one too on the fixed officiating thread which I didn't even dignify with a response.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Can nobody on this board read? Jesus. For the third time, I was only trying to suggest to the OP other threads where he might see other answers, I was not indicating any objection to this thread, which obviously I don't have as I have been participating. In other words, you might ALSO want to take a look at X, to broaden the range of responses. Since I suck at using the search function, I wasn't able to link them myself, thus the comment about the search function. But go ahead, add to the litany of stupid comments directed at me. Is this your second in three days maybe? You had one too on the fixed officiating thread which I didn't even dignify with a response.

So much for trying to get you to see the bright side! This was an arguably negative way to respond to the OP: “If you can figure out the search function, we've literally had this discussion 100 times, and you'll find all the ideas people have had.”

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

So much for trying to get you to see the bright side! This was an arguably negative way to respond to the OP: “If you can figure out the search function, we've literally had this discussion 100 times, and you'll find all the ideas people have had.”

I already said I didn't phrase it that well, but after I've explained twice that my INTENT was good, trying to point him to additional sources of answers, you have to go rip me again. WTF man. Not as obnoxious as BigMouth Is Real, granted lol.

[riggs336]

He was undervalued by the writers in the 1950s, never receiving more than 13.5% of the HOF votes, and is undervalued in the card market imo. The 9th ranked left fielder per JAWS.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I had sort of the opposite experience. My brothers and I first started buying 1965 Topps, but we ended up having a ton of earlier cards all the way back to 1952, whether from the kid across the street whose older brother had left him a massive collection, or my parents' friends who knew we collected and gave us their (older) kids' old collections, or trading with friends who had acquired them in probably similar ways.

No one gave a thought to value of course. I remember my girlfriend in high school had a little sister who loved baseball, so I gave her maybe 5 each of Mantle and Mays, we had dozens.

Should I therefore understand that these cards you had then went by the wayside somehow and you no longer have them?

I turned my half of the card hoard we'd accumulated over to my buddy Anthony a few months after I'd been packed off to a boarding school in Kennebunkport, Maine for ninth grade in 1965. Once Anthony finished grade school himself in the spring of 1966, he turned over the cards which he'd lovingly filed in order in a large cardboard box to young Billy across the street thinking that Billy would continue carrying the torch and further build the collection. Not so. Billy just scrambled the contents of the box for the other kids in the neighbourhood right in front of Anthony's horrified eyes!

Given the sad though self-inflicted denouement to our/his collection, Anthony can't stomach the thought of spending even a dime on cards these days. He does still collect Shirriff Hockey coins since he still has the ones he got as a kid. And of course he enjoys looking through my card binders.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Sadly, my Mom tossed vast numbers of cards when I was in college, because she wanted to make room for something else on the basement shelves where all the boxes were. Oh, what might have been. I mean the Mantles and Mayses and so on were probably well handled but still tragic. Speaking of which imagine getting a Mantle out of a pack and being pissed because you were trying to get a Sonny Siebert or whoever to complete the series checklist.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

(Not mine.)

Maybe Manager Joe Cronin just finished reminding Williams that half the game was fielding.

Or the Red Sox' new hitting coach started talking to him about launch angles and exit velocities....





Oh yeah! As kids it was very much the case that older meant rarer. When in the late spring of 1963 a buddy and I decided to collect any and all cards, any cards older than 1960-61 Hockey cards were already scarce. So while we had hundreds of 1961 Baseball cards, finding any 1960 Baseball cards at all was an exciting event. And pre-1957 Baseball cards were a complete curiousity. I'm not sure we managed to acquire even a dozen 1952-56 Topps Baseball cards out of the something like the 6500 cards we accumulated in the next 2 1/2 years.

LOL on Williams.

Yep. I started buying wax with 1986 Topps baseball, after having been introduced to the trading card medium the year before with what else? Garbage Pail Kids!

Only the "older kids" even had '85 Topps baseball, which they did not want to give up. I only acquired "older" cards like that later, as perhaps an 11 yo in 1988.