Which card do you prefer?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I've been doing this for decades and it's my card which I have examined very closely multiple times. Is there some reason for your skepticism other than you like to be a contrarian?

I've been doing it for decades as well. Appealing to your own authority isn't compelling to me. I've seen many discrepancies in grades like this. When one is a 4 and the other a 9, it is ALWAYS a hidden surface wrinkle that the company that gave it a 9 missed. They don't just give out 4s for no reason. Even if incompetence. It's not like a close call between a 7 and an 8. It's an otherwise mint card that gets a 4. There is something there. I guarantee it.

You can make it personal and call me contrarian all you want. I just call it like I see it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I've been doing it for decades as well. Appealing to your own authority isn't compelling to me. I've seen many discrepancies in grades like this. When one is a 4 and the other a 9, it is ALWAYS a hidden surface wrinkle that the company that gave it a 9 missed. They don't just give out 4s for no reason. Even if incompetence. It's not like a close call between a 7 and an 8. It's an otherwise mint card that gets a 4. There is something there. I guarantee it.

You can make it personal and call me contrarian all you want. I just call it like I see it.

You know best I am sure. As does SGC.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You know best I am sure. As does SGC.

You think what you want and I'll do the same. But if you think PSA knows best, you are sadly mistaken.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You think what you want and I'll do the same. But if you think PSA knows best, you are sadly mistaken.

As an overall matter, I don't think that, and never said so. Straw man. In this case, I do for sure, having thoroughly examined the card and seeing that the entire sub was misgraded, pretty obviously by some kid who doesn't understand anything non ultra modern.

[Yoda]

Peter, I wonder if PSA is now controlling SGC's grading, even though they announced several times that they would treat SGC as an independent entity. That grade is a travesty to the whole system.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Peter, I wonder if PSA is now controlling SGC's grading, even though they announced several times that they would treat SGC as an independent entity. That grade is a travesty to the whole system.

Not sure, but the SGC grade was pre transaction.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not sure, but the SGC grade was pre transaction.

Can you give us your opinion or guess as to why SGC would have assigned that grade? I tend to agree with others that to be that far off on what appears to a high-graded card usually means the grader saw or thought he saw some flaw that lowers the technical grade regardless of eye appeal. Put differently, it seems unlikely the grader just randomly thought this card graded less than excellent given its appearance in the scan.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You think what you want and I'll do the same. But if you think PSA knows best, you are sadly mistaken.

+1

In this case, I'm guessing PSA looked at the card for 7 seconds, and SGC gave it a full minute. Otherwise I'm with Peter... my last SGC submission was about 2 grades off on all the key cards I submitted.