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11-18-2024, 07:29 PM
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Weren't Morgan and Carew contemporaries of Grich? So that's two of the top ten of all time.
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11-18-2024, 07:56 PM
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I guess Tabe missed out on that fact. Or does he think Morgan and Carew were "terrible"? Last edited by cgjackson222; 11-18-2024 at 08:03 PM.
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11-18-2024, 11:35 PM
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Bobby grich
Step outside the old boxes. Grich was a great, no qualifications, no apologies. Excuse me for saying so, but WAR doesn’t lie. Maybe he fell a little short in the counting stats to be a hofer, but he was a truly great player.
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11-19-2024, 09:58 AM
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When I see pitcher A has an ERA+ of 169 and a WHIP of .914 and pitcher B has an ERA+ of 123 and a WHIP of 1.278, I don't need WAR to tell me pitcher A was better than pitcher B. When WAR tells me different, then I just ignore it.
If there are large discrepancies in one season, then the sum of discrepancies for a career becomes even larger. When someone tries to argue Bobby Grich was better than other players because he has more WAR or Rich Reuschel was better than pitchers with less WAR, I am not going to believe it.
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11-19-2024, 10:29 AM
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For instance, Bobby Grich has a career bWAR of 71.1 and a career fWAR of 69.1 Not terribly far off. I'm sure you can find examples where there is a larger difference, but I am not sure that is the norm for hitting/fielding. Last edited by cgjackson222; 11-19-2024 at 10:30 AM.
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11-20-2024, 09:31 PM
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11-20-2024, 09:46 PM
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Maz probably shouldn't be in -- he's at the lower end of HOFers for me. But he does have 10 All-Star games and 8 Gold Gloves and he's considered among the very best fielding 2nd Basemen.
Maz was also a one-team guy and that probably inured to his benefit. The one shinning moment (his HR in the World Series) surely helped. It may have put him over the top but big moments aren't sufficient to guarantee HOF selection -Joe Carter isn't in the HOF and he hit a pretty big World Series homer too.... Maybe Carter should be in the HOF. - I recall that Joe Morgan was very unhappy when the Vet's Committee selected Maz and did something about it (Morgan was a powerful guy in Baseball and a Second Basemen) His selection led to the reconstitution of the Vets Committee. Here is an interested article about his selection and its aftermath......if someone else mentioned this already I apologize for missing it and duplicating the post....==> https://bestworst.substack.com/p/hof...az-controversy Last edited by Misunderestimated; 11-22-2024 at 02:45 AM.
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