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[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Which all begs the question, how in the hell did Harold Baines (WAR under 40) make it?

ERA committees are going to be weak. It's a very small number of humans making judgement calls and whether they choose to involve stats is up to them...and which stats they choose to care about.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

ERA committees are going to be weak. It's a very small number of humans making judgement calls and whether they choose to involve stats is up to them...and which stats they choose to care about.

Baines had a lot of hits but didn't seem to have much else going for him. Was he ever, even early on, among the top ten players in the AL, much less baseball?

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Baines had a lot of hits but didn't seem to have much else going for him. Was he ever, even early on, among the top ten players in the AL, much less baseball?

Not that I remember. Never. I even asked my 79 year old dad about Baines. Neither one of us remember anyone ever saying “Baines is sure one of the top players in baseball” while he was active. He was above avg / a fine player.

[Kutcher55]

Some of that weakest guys seem to get in that way. See Rizutto, Phil. Although “Holy Cow” may have been the intangible that put him over.

I would like to see Garvey, Dwight Evans, Tiant, and Schilling all get in but not a hill I’m willing to die on.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by Kutcher55

Some of that weakest guys seem to get in that way. See Rizutto, Phil. Although “Holy Cow” may have been the intangible that put him over.

I would like to see Garvey, Dwight Evans, Tiant, and Schilling all get in but not a hill I’m willing to die on.

As an Italian-American Yankees fan I'm not exactly unbiased, but I think Rizzuto is an okay Hall of Famer. He's not a great Hall of Famer, but there are far, far weaker Hall of Famers than him. His counting stats are low, but he lost three years of his prime to the Navy. He wasn't usually much at the plate, but he was a truly great fielder by any measure.

I'd be happy to see Tiant, Evans, and Schilling in the HOF - not a Garvey believer myself.

[jingram058]

Schilling is a total piece of excrement. He'll never get in.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kutcher55

Some of that weakest guys seem to get in that way. See Rizutto, Phil. Although “Holy Cow” may have been the intangible that put him over.

I would like to see Garvey, Dwight Evans, Tiant, and Schilling all get in but not a hill I’m willing to die on.

I would put him in solely on the basis of Paradise By the Dashboard Light.

[mark evans]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I would put him in solely on the basis of Paradise By the Dashboard Light.

A classic.

[darwinbulldog]

Now I'm praying for the end of this thread to hurry up and arrive.

[Kutcher55]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I would put him in solely on the basis of Paradise By the Dashboard Light.

Yeah and I forgot about The Money Store. Between Holy Cow, The Money Store and that annoying Meatloaf song, I'm changing my tune on the Scooter.

[packs]

I don’t think the HOF necessarily cares if you were one of the top players at your position while you played. Larry Doyle was easily the best second baseman the NL had seen up until the day he retired. He also won an MVP. He’s not in the HOF. His numbers didn’t get him there. Maybe that was the old view though. Either you were the top of the top of all players or not. I do think that has changed a bit with recent elections.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Kutcher55

I would like to see Garvey, Dwight Evans, Tiant, and Schilling all get in but not a hill I’m willing to die on.

I'd love to see Evans get in as well. As someone else mentioned somewhere on the forum, he was constantly overshadowed by one or more superstar teammates. When one or two of those retired or were traded, another one or two came right along to make sure Dwight was NOT in the spotlight! Honestly, for his personality, I think he was just fine with that. And everyone in Massachusetts loved the guy; rightly so. My kind of player, and person.

With Schilling, it's a lesson to all of us that a douchey personality will always be your worst enemy. Your achievements matter very little if you can't treat others with some modicum of respect.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

BTW, the poor OP certainly had his thread derailed. Perhaps it should be renamed the Edwin Starr Memorial Thread.