Hey, pennant guys

Domer05 · #1 11-29-2024, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

ABC's contribution to the world of football pennants. Does this mean they also made the ubiquitous version which omits the coliseum reference?

Good question! This "ABC" mark on your Rams pennant actually is a concessionaire's mark (not a maker's mark); and it belonged to the ABC Beverage Co., who ran concessions at the LA Memorial Coliseum in the late 1950s and 1960s.

The same mark, you're probably aware, appeared on certain USC and UCLA pennants from the same era--both whom called the Coliseum home at that time.

I believe this Rams pennant (and the more common variant sans ABC mark) was made by Trench.

Now, pennants featuring the ABC Emblem & Pennant Co. maker's mark/label (like Boca's San Francisco Seals pennant) were also being made at this same time; however, to the best of my knowledge, they all featured a label and were made of sewed letter construction.

So the two outfits shared the same name; but that's about it.

edtiques · #2 11-29-2024, 10:51 AM

Hey pennant guys!! Just curious if this pennant has any value. It's 8 3/4 inches, not including tassels. There's a fold as you can see. I also have 3 pins from the tournament. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!!

ooo-ribay · #3 11-29-2024, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by edtiques

Hey pennant guys!! Just curious if this pennant has any value. It's 8 3/4 inches, not including tassels. There's a fold as you can see. I also have 3 pins from the tournament. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!!

The fold could easily be ironed out. I'm afraid the pennant and pins don't have much value. I'm assuming they're High School.

edtiques · #4 11-29-2024, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The fold could easily be ironed out. I'm afraid the pennant and pins don't have much value. I'm assuming they're High School.

Thanks Rob!! I kind of figured that, but I had to ask to make sure. Thanks again!!

Fballguy · #5 11-29-2024, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Good question! This "ABC" mark on your Rams pennant actually is a concessionaire's mark (not a maker's mark); and it belonged to the ABC Beverage Co., who ran concessions at the LA Memorial Coliseum in the late 1950s and 1960s.

The same mark, you're probably aware, appeared on certain USC and UCLA pennants from the same era--both whom called the Coliseum home at that time.

I believe this Rams pennant (and the more common variant sans ABC mark) was made by Trench.

Now, pennants featuring the ABC Emblem & Pennant Co. maker's mark/label (like Boca's San Francisco Seals pennant) were also being made at this same time; however, to the best of my knowledge, they all featured a label and were made of sewed letter construction.

So the two outfits shared the same name; but that's about it.

Good stuff Kyle. There must've been fierce competition to appear first in the phone book in those days.

ooo-ribay · #6 11-29-2024, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Now, pennants featuring the ABC Emblem & Pennant Co. maker's mark/label (like Boca's San Francisco Seals pennant) were also being made at this same time; however, to the best of my knowledge, they all featured a label and were made of sewed letter construction.

ABC produced this screen printed pennant, too. You can see the same fat tassels and font. My screened version doesn't have a tag, but Bocca's does. I'm wondering if ABC maybe outsourced this for screen printing...it seems to me pennant makers would be set up for one production method (screened vs. sewn) or another. Can we think of companies that did both?

HankAaron755 · #7 11-29-2024, 02:26 PM

Long time reader, first time poster. Appreciate all of the information and displays of personal collections. Makes me want to finally get mine out of storage and onto my walls to be enjoyed.

Attached are a couple of recent pick ups. Nothing too special or rare, but will go nicely with my Cardinal's collection.

perezfan · #8 11-29-2024, 06:07 PM

Great stuff Nick!

Eager to see more of your pennant collection (hopefully hanging on the walls!)

HankAaron755 · #9 11-29-2024, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Great stuff Nick!

Eager to see more of your pennant collection (hopefully hanging on the walls!)

Appreciate it Mark! Big fan of your YouTube channel. Always look forward to watching when new episodes drop.

Domer05 · #10 11-30-2024, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

ABC produced this screen printed pennant, too. You can see the same fat tassels and font. My screened version doesn't have a tag, but Bocca's does. I'm wondering if ABC maybe outsourced this for screen printing...it seems to me pennant makers would be set up for one production method (screened vs. sewn) or another. Can we think of companies that did both?

The collegiate pennant makers, namely Chicago Pennant Co. and Collegiate Mfg. Co. of Ames, IA, both offered screen printed (flocked) pennants and sewed letters through the 1970s. This is because their merch was generally sold in book stores and were considered premium items.

So some people liked that vintage look from the turn of the century and were willing to pay for it, decades later.

Domer05 · #11 12-06-2024, 01:33 AM

Just finished making this pennant....

Read all about it on Pennant Factory, or just click here:

https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...nt-wgn-flag-co

ooo-ribay · #12 12-07-2024, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Just finished making this pennant....

Read all about it on Pennant Factory, or just click here:

https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...nt-wgn-flag-co

Nice work, Kyle. You have extras? I�m good.

thetahat · #13 12-07-2024, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Just finished making this pennant....

Read all about it on Pennant Factory, or just click here:

https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...nt-wgn-flag-co

Very nice, Kyle!!!

Duluth Eskimo · #14 12-09-2024, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Just finished making this pennant....

Read all about it on Pennant Factory, or just click here:

https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...nt-wgn-flag-co

Nice work Kyle. Looks like you took the 65 Twins / Dodgers to sample from. I�ve always liked that style.

Domer05 · #15 12-10-2024, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Nice work Kyle. Looks like you took the 65 Twins / Dodgers to sample from. I�ve always liked that style.

Yup, that's right. It's heavily influenced by the color scheme and graphics of WGN's 1965 Al champs (Twins) pennant, below. I made the year "2024" a bit bigger and then relocated it closer to the head-end.

Also, this year's world series featured a 26-man roster. To accommodate the extra name, I had to drop the manager's name off the scroll.

The Day-Glo colors were hand painted using watercolors.

ooo-ribay · #16 12-12-2024, 10:31 AM

Thanks to Bocca for making this available to me. He found himself an upgrade, which I hope we'll see soon. I'm not really a "condition guy" to the extent some of you are, but the condition of this gave me pause. Bocca thinks, and I agree, it may have been stored for a long time under a black pennant. In the end, I bought it because there have only been three of these seen. The more common (but by no means common) version has no white paint. These are one of only two varieties of Giants pennants which show Seals Stadium (1958-59).

Question for Kyle - wouldn't the white paint necessitate an entirely different screen than the all black graphics? The all black I've shown is the "fat font." I also have one with the same font as my new acquisition.

Question for you other guys - any cleaning tips at all? I tried a few things. I dipped the tip in some mild soapy water and the water immediately turned orange. When I blotted it on a white towel, it left an orange triangle. I think I'm gonna have to live with it.

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