Ruth and Gehrig help

[Bpm0014]

This is the first Ruth autograph I've ever reallllly been torn on or flip flopped on. The "a" (although such a simple letter) is tough to replicate. And it is spot on. However there are other letters that are really off. Mainly the "h". What's tough to figure out is if it's simply a forgery....or was Ruth trying to fit his signature in the white/plastic area, and altered it a bit to make it fit.


I think the answers lies in: Is the Gehrig good?

And I definitely agree that there are forgers out there using this medium to cover up inconsistencies. That's so true.

[Kco]

Brendan is correct on Ruth.

The Gehrig is a close attempt, but is also not authentic. The letter formation while pretty accurate is deliberate. add that to the bleeding ink, and the over-pronunciation of certain elements of each letter itself, and while not amateurish in nature, it is not genuine.

Edited to add, the entirely of Gehrigs signature leans too far right here. he naturally has a rightward lean, but this is overemphasized in the pictured example.

[Dubbymc]

Thanks to all. This is great feedback. If you have any more please feel free to share, but based on everything that I have heard and unless one of you advise me otherwise I'm unfortunately leaning (no pun intended) towards passing on this. That's too bad because a piece like this with both of these great's signatures on it would have been epic to have. I'm feeling confident that those on this forum from what I have heard are probably as good (actually probably better) than those from an authentication company that I would pay to look at this for me. I struggle with these authentication companies because of their business model and incentive to pass these so that they can charge a high fee to collect when they do so. I also understand that if they do that the perceived value of this can escalate.

[Bpm0014]

One last observation. On the “b” the stroke coming back down…..about halfway down….you can observe the pen sort of stop and make an abrupt turn….rather then be a smooth curve.

That was pretty fun to dissect. Great job Kevin, Randy, and Matt!

[Kco]

Originally Posted by Dubbymc

Thanks to all. This is great feedback. If you have any more please feel free to share, but based on everything that I have heard and unless one of you advise me otherwise I'm unfortunately leaning (no pun intended) towards passing on this. That's too bad because a piece like this with both of these great's signatures on it would have been epic to have. I'm feeling confident that those on this forum from what I have heard are probably as good (actually probably better) than those from an authentication company that I would pay to look at this for me. I struggle with these authentication companies because of their business model and incentive to pass these so that they can charge a high fee to collect when they do so. I also understand that if they do that the perceived value of this can escalate.

One note on the fees, they actually don't have incentive to pass these. The fees charged for an item like this, would be charged regardless of if it ultimately passed or failed authentication. They will be paid whether they issue a Letter of Regret or a Letter of Authentication.