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12-16-2024, 11:15 PM
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I don't understand why Bob Johnson gets no love for the HOF.
Only player in baseball history (with a career long enough to be eligible for the HOF) to have an OPS+ of 125 or higher in every single year of his career from rookie to final year. Career OPS+ of 139 27 year old rookie who managed to have over 1200 runs and RBI and 2000 hits. 90 or more RBI in 10 of his 13 major league seasons including 8 of 100 or more (7 in a row). 7x all star probably should have been 9 or 10x based on season totals of years he didn't make it. Walked more than he struck out in his career, including 10 years of 75+ walks Led league in left fielder putouts 6 times and assists 8 times. Is in top 100 hitters all time in many offensive metrics including (for thise who feel this is not a compliment for getting in the HOF, there are now 193 "hitters" in the Hall, so top 100 is pretty much top half of current hall of famers): OBP 97th OPS 73rd Walks 92nd Adjusted OPS+ 96th Adjusted batting runs 82nd Adjusted batting wins 85th Base out runs added 90th Situational wins added 79th Base out wins added 90th rOBA 65th RBAT+ 98th Left fielder putouts 12th Left fielder assists 6th JAWS has him as the 20th best Left fielder of all time. Ahead of: Ralph Kiner Joe Kelley Jim Rice Heinie Manush Lou Brock Last edited by btcarfagno; 12-16-2024 at 11:24 PM. 
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12-17-2024, 12:02 AM
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Allen is a solid pick at 3B; his numbers put him right in the middle of the pack. Parker I am lukewarm on. Seems like a case of wasted potential; he was a god for the latter half of the 1970s but free-fell after that. Coke will do that. Thread needs something...   That feels better.
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12-17-2024, 10:29 AM
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I don't understand why Al Oliver doesn't get more love from the Hall of Fame voters. He is top 100 in real categories. 2743 hits 58th all time, 4083 total bases 83rd all time, 529 doubles 43rd all time 1326 RBIs 100th all time.
His last series, he hit .375 in the 1985 ALCS. He won game 2 with a walk off single in the bottom of the 10th and game 4 with a 2-run double in the top of the 9th in a 3-1 win. Both hits were off Royals closer Dan Quisenberry. Then the Blue Jays and everyone else colluded to not sign Oliver in 1986. Oliver received a 680k settlement that illegally ended his career prematurely. However, that doesn't make up for being denied the honor of joining the 3000 hit club and the Hall of Fame enshrinement soon after. Voters have no problem electing people who were part of the collusion, but what about the players who they damaged? Hopefully the voters allow Al Oliver to enjoy election while he is alive after what they did to Ron Santo and Dick Allen. Last edited by rats60; 12-17-2024 at 10:33 AM.
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12-17-2024, 10:51 AM
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For people who support Andruw Jones for the HOF, was his career all that different from Torii Hunter's?
Jones has the higher home run total, but Hunter is there at 353 with a higher career average, scored more runs, drove in more runs and has more than 2,000 hits with about the same career OPS+ (110 to 111). I also think Hunter was a productive player for almost the entirety of his career whereas Jones left a lasting memory of a guy who burned out. Jones won 10 gold gloves to Hunter's 9. But I don't see a lot of support for Hunter. Last edited by packs; 12-17-2024 at 10:54 AM.
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12-17-2024, 11:10 AM
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It’s not The Baseball Hall Of Fame
It’s the BBWAA hall of fame If Al Oliver could have stayed with Pitt long enough to be part of media-loving “We are family” champs he’d probably be in there with Parker . BBWAA probably view him as a trouble maker (like the determined Allen or “scary “Jim Rice who had to wait 15 ballots ) - He’ll probably get in via the veterans after he has passed away . Perhaps 4 time batting champ Bill Madlock can make it .
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