When Did the Last Surviving T206 Subject Pass Away?

piecesofthegame · #1 01-01-2025, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gregndodgers

Back to Tyler for those interested, the family consists of just 8 generations in America (based on the living grandson) going back to Henry Tyler who was born about 1607 possibly in London, England and who immigrated to America and subsequently acquired the �Middle Plantation� in Virginia, that eventually became Williamsburg. So the family has been in America around 400 years and have had just 8 generations! Crazy! All of the men were having children with one leg already in the coffin!

While this is interesting ,it�s probably not as unusual as you think. I have traced my genealogy back about 10 generations to the first immigrant who came over about 10-15 years after the Mayflower (1620). This original immigrant with the Brigham surname settled around Marlboro Massachusetts and I can trace all 10 generations IN THE SAME TOWN back to the mid 1600s!

And a friend of mine with the surname Alden is a direct descendant of the John Alden who was on the Mayflower. He has a couple relics like primitive silverware and cookware that have been passed down through family as relics from the Mayflower.

alaskapaul3 · #2 01-01-2025, 10:08 PM

Further deviation fun fact: there is still a living member of The Glenn Miller Orchestra 80 years after they broke up named Ray Anthony who is about to turn 103. He later went on to record the Hokey Pokey that we all danced to as kids.

spec · #3 01-02-2025, 09:56 PM

Years ago, when I was living in Boston and doing research on the New England League, I had no luck determining Phil Poland's birth or death dates. He was from Maine, but I never found the family in any census there. His mother, Susie, died Oct. 4, 1934, in Lynn, Mass. She was the widow of Levi, who might have been Phil's father. Phil visited Susie in Lynn in May 1928. Perhaps, some of this might help one of you track him down.

T206Collector · #4 01-02-2025, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by spec

Years ago, when I was living in Boston and doing research on the New England League, I had no luck determining Phil Poland's birth or death dates. He was from Maine, but I never found the family in any census there. His mother, Susie, died Oct. 4, 1934, in Lynn, Mass. She was the widow of Levi, who might have been Phil's father. Phil visited Susie in Lynn in May 1928. Perhaps, some of this might help one of you track him down.

I found Susie and Levi. But no indication of a son together. Does seem like perhaps Susie had a son not named Phil from an earlier marriage, and then married Levi Poland, so perhaps there is something there � but nothing saying the boy changed his name to Phil Poland after his mom remarried.

spec · #5 01-03-2025, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

I found Susie and Levi. But no indication of a son together. Does seem like perhaps Susie had a son not named Phil from an earlier marriage, and then married Levi Poland, so perhaps there is something there � but nothing saying the boy changed his name to Phil Poland after his mom remarried.

Thanks, Paul,
So, it's likely Phil Poland was born with a different last name and probably a different first name, too, then used the name Phil Poland during his baseball career. Perhaps a record of Susie's marriage to Levi would give her prior name.

T206Collector · #6 01-03-2025, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by spec

Thanks, Paul,
So, it's likely Phil Poland was born with a different last name and probably a different first name, too, then used the name Phil Poland during his baseball career. Perhaps a record of Susie's marriage to Levi would give her prior name.

Here are three screenshots - if your theory is correct then Phil Poland is really John A Hackett. However, Poland played for Providence in 1905, and that seems somewhat unlikely for a 16-year old, if he was born on April 23, 1889 (as indicated on his WW1 Draft Reg card), though Dick Rudolph was 16 when he started playing for Providence in 1904, so it is possible I suppose. I guess my question is why do we think Phil Poland met with his mother Susie Poland in May 1928? What’s the evidence?

piecesofthegame · #7 01-03-2025, 02:06 PM

I find all these obscure facts about obscure players very I interesting. I think someone (not me) needs to write a book about �The 25 Most Obscure Players From T206 and What Happened to Them After Baseball�. Who�s gonna write it?

spec · #8 01-03-2025, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

Here are three screenshots - if your theory is correct then Phil Poland is really John A Hackett. However, Poland played for Providence in 1905, and that seems somewhat unlikely for a 16-year old, if he was born on April 23, 1889 (as indicated on his WW1 Draft Reg card), though Dick Rudolph was 16 when he started playing for Providence in 1904, so it is possible I suppose. I guess my question is why do we think Phil Poland met with his mother Susie Poland in May 1928? What�s the evidence?

Paul,
When I was researching the New England League, I read the Lynn papers every day. On May 28, 1928, one of them (likely the Item) reported that Phil Poland, the old ballplayer, was in town visiting his mother, Susie.

gregndodgers · #9 01-02-2025, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by piecesofthegame

While this is interesting ,it’s probably not as unusual as you think. I have traced my genealogy back about 10 generations to the first immigrant who came over about 10-15 years after the Mayflower (1620). This original immigrant with the Brigham surname settled around Marlboro Massachusetts and I can trace all 10 generations IN THE SAME TOWN back to the mid 1600s!

And a friend of mine with the surname Alden is a direct descendant of the John Alden who was on the Mayflower. He has a couple relics like primitive silverware and cookware that have been passed down through family as relics from the Mayflower.

Thanks. Neat stuff!!!

I have done genealogy for the past 25 years or so. Lots of work, but the skills I learned come in handy from time to time!

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