I may have to sue Fanatics or Fedex-UPDATED 5/8/25 AT END OF THREAD

[nolemmings]

It would probably depend on the terms and conditions of any agreement you had with Fanatics, but it seems to me you could have a claim against Fanatics for failure to deliver the card you purchased. You would argue that FedEx is their agent responsible for taking the proper steps to ensure delivery and while you do not know exactly what happened, you can establish that the card never arrived through no fault of your own. Contracts between buyer and seller generally address the issue of who bears the loss in either of two ways-- it is the buyer's problem once it reaches the shipper (out of seller's control) or it is the seller's problem until it reaches the destination. You might still have to rebut an argument that it reached the destination as shown by the squiggle, but that is a fact question that you face against either FedEx or Fanatics anyway.

I assume that if you are going to sue anyone it will be through a lawyer, so it would be worthwhile to consult with one now if you have not and ask about all options, although a good lawyer need not be asked that question in the first place.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

It would probably depend on the terms and conditions of any agreement you had with Fanatics, but it seems to me you could have a claim against Fanatics for failure to deliver the card you purchased. You would argue that FedEx is their agent responsible for taking the proper steps to ensure delivery and while you do not know exactly what happened, you can establish that the card never arrived through no fault of your own. Contracts between buyer and seller generally address the issue of who bears the loss in either of two ways-- it is the buyer's problem once it reaches the shipper (out of seller's control) or it is the seller's problem until it reaches the destination. You might still have to rebut an argument that it reached the destination as shown by the squiggle, but that is a fact question that you face against either FedEx or Fanatics anyway.

I assume that if you are going to sue anyone it will be through a lawyer, so it would be worthwhile to consult with one now if you have not and ask about all options, although a good lawyer need not be asked that question in the first place.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking too. Do you sue Fanatics or FedEx or both ?? These are questions you need to ask a lawyer.

Also, are there any buildings across or near to you with cameras ?? Maybe they have cameras pointing towards your building ??

And because of the high amount involved here, do you not have to notify the police ??

[D. Bergin]

You can blame the individual drivers all you want, but it's a top/down attitude, likely connected to delivery speed quotas, along with getting docked for bringing packages that haven't been signed for back to the building.

I doubt very many FedEx drivers are pilfering packages themselves. It's just too easy to get caught at that stage of the delivery, and your movements are tracked from minute to minute. What they ARE doing is, whatever they can to keep from bringing a package back to the building, which includes scrawling fake signatures, and leaving packages where they can easily be pilfered by others, or out in the weather, or just straight up mis-delivering...sometimes with a fake sig.

Usually the out for the fake sig is "Talked to the customer earlier, and they said I could sign for them".

Of course they are told not to do this by their supervisors.....followed by a tacit wink, wink, and a "do whatever you have to do to keep your job" kick in the ass on the way out the door in the morning.

I WAS a delivery driver in a former life. We have a front covered porch that's out of the weather, that every delivery driver wishes for, when they drop off a package at any house.

We've had FedEx drivers leave packages at the top of the driveway by the mailbox next to the road, in the driveway, right in front of the garage door ready to get run over when you go to back out, in the yard to the side of the driveway, in the little pull off parking spot halfway down the drive....etc....

Hell, we even had a Chewy Dog Food box left at the end of a neighbors driveway a 1/2 mile down the street a month ago or so. Got the "Delivered" notice, complete with a picture of the box in a strangers driveway, that was definitely not our own. Not even at HIS front door, but perched on a wall at the end of his driveway. Thankfully the neighbor was kind enough to truck it back to our house before we figured out exactly where it was misdelivered to.

No rhyme or reason either. Not all the FedEx drivers do that, but we seem to live in a sort of delivery dead spot that gets a different driver every day.

The other delivery outfits don't deliver in the same manner... at least not in my experience.

Not USPS, not UPS, not even Amazon does that, and we might get 3 different Amazon drivers in a single day.

Just FedEx and some other delivery outfit named "Uniuni" that we get every once in awhile.

Hell, the others might tear up our gravel driveway, and occasionally back into our garage...but at least they get the package where it's supposed to go.

There's also the fact, FedEx will notoriously take all the money you want to give them for Insurance coverage, but then dance around what and how much they will actually cover if something actually goes down. That's a directive all the way from the top to be that evasive in your practices.

[D. Bergin]

I do think one of the pitfalls of having a Private Insurance carrier, especially with very high value packages, is that the carriers themselves have no idea they are handling a high value package, so the chain of custody could end up being much more lax.

I'm sure if the driver who mis-delivered/pilfered/left out in the open, whatever...knew he was handling a 40K package, there's no way he would have forged a signature and been as careless as he was with that package.

When I was at UPS (and I'm going by memory, so the numbers might be slightly off), anything that was declared over 2K was handled and packed on the truck separate from everything else and was adult signature required whether it was requested by the shipper or not...and anything over 5K was handled and shipped in completely different shipping containers and with a chain of custody far different then the rest of the normal shipments.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

It would probably depend on the terms and conditions of any agreement you had with Fanatics, but it seems to me you could have a claim against Fanatics for failure to deliver the card you purchased. You would argue that FedEx is their agent responsible for taking the proper steps to ensure delivery and while you do not know exactly what happened, you can establish that the card never arrived through no fault of your own. Contracts between buyer and seller generally address the issue of who bears the loss in either of two ways-- it is the buyer's problem once it reaches the shipper (out of seller's control) or it is the seller's problem until it reaches the destination. You might still have to rebut an argument that it reached the destination as shown by the squiggle, but that is a fact question that you face against either FedEx or Fanatics anyway.

I assume that if you are going to sue anyone it will be through a lawyer, so it would be worthwhile to consult with one now if you have not and ask about all options, although a good lawyer need not be asked that question in the first place.

Right, check the terms and conditions for sure. I do think the presumption, if the agreement does not provide otherwise, is that the seller's risk of loss ends upon tender to a common carrier. But that said, Fanatics sure as hell does not want or need bad publicity and if they can't work this out with their insurer or Fed Ex, they may still not want to stiff Russ. Anyhow, lawsuit here should be last resort.