Next HOF vote announcement January 21

Peter_Spaeth · #1 01-21-2025, 06:06 PM

10.03 post season ERA. Jesus.

Mike D. · #2 01-21-2025, 06:13 PM

The three guys generally expected got in. Nice bump by Beltran, although the secret ballots folks REALLY don't like him. Jones continues to creep up, and nice gain for Utley. Felix did better than I expected, which means he should hang out on the ballot while voters further review his case.

From the tracker to the ballot, Wagner dropped a bit, but Francisco Rodriguez actually had a higher % among private voters. Only a few % points in each case, but still. Weird.

No sure-thing first year candidates next year, so could be a good opportunity for Beltran and maybe Jones.

MorrellMan · #3 01-21-2025, 06:27 PM

Glad for Ichiro and CC certainly is deserving.

I just can't get onboard with Wagner. This is a guy whose entire career consisted of a little more than 900 innings in over 850 games (900 innings @ 1/2 hr/outing = 150 games @ 3 hrs/game). All he did was pitch the last inning of a game his team was already winning, sometimes by as much as 3 runs. The opponent is in their last chance in a game they might already have given up.

Whatever their mental state, it just isn't a level playing field and disrepects those enshrined who labored thru 20 times more games, at least that much wear and tear on the body, that much more risk of injury, etc.

I have no interest in closers being in the HOF.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 01-21-2025, 06:51 PM

https://retrosheet.org/Research/Smit...fTheCloser.pdf

Mike D. · #5 01-21-2025, 07:06 PM

I said no sure thing candidate next year and that's for sure. The best candidate is probably Hamels. I was thinking "not quite" but he's closer to Felix than I'd have thought. It'll be interesting to see how voters react.

I'm guessing that Felix's Cy Young award and two second place finishes is seen as a big difference to voters.

bk400 · #6 01-21-2025, 07:32 PM

Hard to understand how Ichiro wasn't unanimous.

This said, I think the attention on unanimity gives too much mindshare and airtime to a small group (in this case, a small group of one) of attention-seeking, probably personally aggrieved, HOF voters who are voting on a set of criteria that only he or she can explain or understand.

jayshum · #7 01-21-2025, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bk400

Hard to understand how Ichiro wasn't unanimous.

This said, I think the attention on unanimity gives too much mindshare and airtime to a small group (in this case, a small group of one) of attention-seeking, probably personally aggrieved, HOF voters who are voting on a set of criteria that only he or she can explain or understand.

It will be interesting to see if the one voter is willing to make his ballot public and explain/defend it. I'm guessing no.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 01-21-2025, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bk400

Hard to understand how Ichiro wasn't unanimous.

This said, I think the attention on unanimity gives too much mindshare and airtime to a small group (in this case, a small group of one) of attention-seeking, probably personally aggrieved, HOF voters who are voting on a set of criteria that only he or she can explain or understand.

Nobody except Rivera has ever been unanimous. Just an empty ritual.

jayshum · #9 01-21-2025, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

10.03 post season ERA. Jesus.

Only 11 innings so a pretty small sample size, but still not a good showing.

tod41 · #10 01-21-2025, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum

Only 11 innings so a pretty small sample size, but still not a good showing.

11 innings with 13 earned runs and 21 hits. Was in 8 post season series and his team lost 7 of them. Gave up a go ahead 9th inning homerun to So Taguchi of all people in game 2 of the 2006 NLCS which was the turning point of that series. But hey Jayson Starks says he only blew one save in the playoffs!

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