The Tush Push Conundrum - The NFL Scrum

[Tripredacus]

Originally Posted by packs

I think the Bills failure to secure points, first downs, and two point conversions using the same method shows there is something to being successful.

No there is something else to this. It was brought up in the broadcast for yesterday's game that when the Bills do it, they always use the same lineup and process for the play. And the Chiefs defended it properly each time it was used. Now the issue here is that it was Tony Romo who said it, and he also was in the Baltimore game the week before and didn't mention it. I don't really pay attention to interviews but if he knew about it and said he knew the Chiefs knew about it, then it would make sense that no one had figured out how to properly defend it until yesterday?

The story seems to be thinking that there was a tell for the Bills using it. Either that they will use it and/or how exactly they would. And I think if the broadcasters are able to accurately predict when a team would use a particular play, then the team needs to do more to disguise it.

I like how the Ravens use a TE to do the play instead of the quarterback.

[TUM301]

Sooner or later if they allow a team to do everything except maybe carry the QB forward, a defensive player is going to launch himself over the lines and simply blast the QB penalty be damned.

[packs]

Originally Posted by TUM301

Sooner or later if they allow a team to do everything except maybe carry the QB forward, a defensive player is going to launch himself over the lines and simply blast the QB penalty be damned.

That's more or less what happened in the Commanders / Eagles game. Washington knew they were going to run the push and they purposely tried jumping the snap to compensate. The refs then announced that they have the power to issue a score if they didn't line up properly.

The Bills used the same play over and over again in the same game and weren't successful. It can be stopped.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Tripredacus

No there is something else to this. It was brought up in the broadcast for yesterday's game that when the Bills do it, they always use the same lineup and process for the play. And the Chiefs defended it properly each time it was used. Now the issue here is that it was Tony Romo who said it, and he also was in the Baltimore game the week before and didn't mention it. I don't really pay attention to interviews but if he knew about it and said he knew the Chiefs knew about it, then it would make sense that no one had figured out how to properly defend it until yesterday?

The story seems to be thinking that there was a tell for the Bills using it. Either that they will use it and/or how exactly they would. And I think if the broadcasters are able to accurately predict when a team would use a particular play, then the team needs to do more to disguise it.

I like how the Ravens use a TE to do the play instead of the quarterback.

I didn't watch much of the Bills-Chiefs game so didn't hear what promo said about the Bills play, but isn't the formation a pretty obvious tell for any team running this play? It's obvious when the Eagles are doing it, but they are still successful most of the time.

[clydepepper]

Somewhere, 'Refrigerator' Perry is laughing his very ample tush off.

[steve B]

I'm surprised it's allowed.

In 1909 this was a fairly typical play. Teams even had handles on some players pants to help grip as the player was stuffed through the line.

In an October 30 game with Harvard, Cadet Eugene Byrne of Army suffered a broken neck and died the next day. Army cancelled the rest of its season.
During the off season rules were changed to essentially eliminate the play and encourage more passing. In a way those changed helped create the modern game as we know it.

The lower of these two covers probably carried tickets to that October 30 game.

[mortimer brewster]

At one time, wasn't it illegal for a ball carrier to be aided by one or more of his offensive players thus making the tush push illegal?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by mortimer brewster

At one time, wasn't it illegal for a ball carrier to be aided by one or more of his offensive players thus making the tush push illegal?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helping_the_runner


Made legal in 2005. Hasn't been called as a penalty since 1991...and even then it was because a player "pulled" another player...not pushed them.

I've seen players pushed ahead in scrums as long as I can remember watching football. As long as forward momentum isn't stopped, and the ref hasn't blown the whistle.