Poll Should GA disclose that the PSA 6.5 and SGC MIN SIZE Dimaggios are same card?

Peter_Spaeth · #1 01-28-2025, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

To me, after reading both threads, this entire issue is based on a significant misunderstanding of grading. Min size does not mean evidence of trimming (the opposite, in fact), and min size is NOT an objective standard. Once you understand those two points, disclosing the SGC grade becomes irrelevant. It was clear from the first thread that Peter was under the mistaken impression (based on an incorrect auction description) that min size meant there could be evidence of trimming. Then later in the thread, he specifically alluded to his belief that min size was objective. Neither of those is true, and resulted in two threads based on the same misunderstandings.

MIN SIZE may not be APPLIED consistently, but surely in conception it is not subjective -- that is, the grader THINKS it looks small. It's an objective standard, albeit not applied consistently apparently. And I continue to think where a change of flip has brought about a 6 figure difference in market value, the prior assessment is material. And if it isn't, it can be disclosed and people can disregard it. I would almost always err on the side of disclosure, and I don't understand why people are working so hard to justify non-disclosure.

OhioLawyerF5 · #2 01-28-2025, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

MIN SIZE may not be APPLIED consistently, but surely in conception it is not subjective -- that is, the grader THINKS it looks small. It's an objective standard, albeit not applied consistently apparently. And I continue to think where a change of flip has brought about a 6 figure difference in market value, the prior assessment is material. And if it isn't, it can be disclosed and people can disregard it. I would almost always err on the side of disclosure, and I don't understand why people are working so hard to justify non-disclosure.

It's not objective because what consitutes too far a variance from the standard varies based on who (or what company) is doing the evaluation. Yes, looking at a ruler provides an objective number. Determining whether that number is too small to warrant a number grade is a subjective endeavor.

That said, I am on the side that MIN SIZE shouldn't be a thing. If a card is trimmed, it's altered. If a card came from the factory a particular size, it should be graded with a number grade. I'm fine if you believe it should be considered a defect or flaw, and the grade affected accordingly, but an unaltered card should get a number grade.

Which is why I don't see it any different than cracking a 5 and getting a 7. If that doesn't need disclosed because it's just two opinions, than an unaltered card that goes from MIN SIZE to a number shouldn't either. The card is simply sold as it currently sits, with whatever third party's opinion it has attached to it.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 01-28-2025, 10:51 AM

I think we would agree that the grading companies need to do a better explanation of MIN SIZE, and that whoever wrote up the Goldin description the first time really hurt the consignor.

OhioLawyerF5 · #4 01-28-2025, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think we would agree that the grading companies need to do a better explanation of MIN SIZE, and that whoever wrote up the Goldin description the first time really hurt the consignor.

100%. Whoever wrote that description not only has no clue, but definitely hurt the consignor.

View Poll Results: Should GA disclose that the PSA 6.5 WWG Dimaggio is the same card as the SGC MIN SIZE
Yes	104	50.73%
No	101	49.27%
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