Poll Should GA disclose that the PSA 6.5 and SGC MIN SIZE Dimaggios are same card?

Rhotchkiss · #1 01-29-2025, 11:14 AM

Another thread where (generally the same) 4-5 people monopolize the airtime, argue in circles, and kill the thread making reading it unbearable for everyone other than the 4-5 monopolizers.

Bottom line is that 150 people have voted and the majority feel that GA should not (or need not) disclose the situation. End of story. If you are in the minority, get over it.

nolemmings · #2 01-29-2025, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Another thread where (generally the same) 4-5 people monopolize the airtime, argue in circles, and kill the thread making reading it unbearable for everyone other than the 4-5 monopolizers.

Bottom line is that 150 people have voted and the majority feel that GA should not (or need not) disclose the situation. End of story. If you are in the minority, get over it.

Yeah, 78- 74, a real mandate. Issue resolved--clear as mud.

Neal · #3 01-29-2025, 12:04 PM

SGC says minimum size not met and doesn't label the flip as altered.
PSA gives it a number grade.

Goldin needs to do only one thing and that is ship the card.
Carry on.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 01-30-2025, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nolemmings

Yeah, 78- 74, a real mandate. Issue resolved--clear as mud.

Same 4 vote lead now for yes, even with all the more recent posts explaining MIN SIZE. Time to get over it?

Leon · #5 01-31-2025, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Same 4 vote lead now for yes, even with all the more recent posts explaining MIN SIZE. Time to get over it?

It's basically been just about 50/50 the whole time. That is how I will see it. For the record, when SGC made 2 bad mistakes on my Yum Yum, thinking it was a counterfeit and then on review just giving it the NO.....then BVG and PSA graded it a 1. NO, I didn't think SGC's mistakes needed to be disclosed when it sold. SGC was glaringly wrong on it.
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ullmandds · #6 01-31-2025, 08:54 AM

I remember that card� It was weird looking. Those are rare cards not many examples and some of them look weird yours looked weird...to me. SGC erred on the side of caution PSA is PSA!

Leon · #7 01-31-2025, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

I remember that card� It was weird looking. Those are rare cards not many examples and some of them look weird yours looked weird...to me. SGC erred on the side of caution PSA is PSA!

It was real as the day is long. Yes, printing was a bit off but it is 100% legit. Andy Broome did some testing and proved it before he put it in a 1 holder at BVG. THEN PSA put it in a 1 holder also. SGC just isn't very good at some issues.

oldjudge · #8 02-01-2025, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

It's basically been just about 50/50 the whole time. That is how I will see it. For the record, when SGC made 2 bad mistakes on my Yum Yum, thinking it was a counterfeit and then on review just giving it the NO.....then BVG and PSA graded it a 1. NO, I didn't think SGC's mistakes needed to be disclosed when it sold. SGC was glaringly wrong on it.
.

Leon--I remember you showing me that card at a National. I looped it and stared at it for a long time and couldn't tell if it was good or not. Probably the best argument that I could come up with for it being good was why would anyone counterfeit that card? I could see SGC not wanting to grade it --that was hardly a clear cut call.

Leon · #9 02-01-2025, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Leon--I remember you showing me that card at a National. I looped it and stared at it for a long time and couldn't tell if it was good or not. Probably the best argument that I could come up with for it being good was why would anyone counterfeit that card? I could see SGC not wanting to grade it --that was hardly a clear cut call.

I respectfully disagree. And there's nothing wrong with that. There are 0 other specimens of that pose except maybe one at the LOC. It was a 7k card and, imo, it would have been a lot of work for that to be made as a counterfeit. I bought it from a book seller on ebay. He offered me a full refund and I said, no, SGC dropped the ball. All good.

oldjudge · #10 02-01-2025, 05:20 PM

Hi Leon! I agree that counterfeiting it made no sense. It just looked different under a loope than any other 19th century photographic card I had seen. Hope all is well with you and yours!

raulus · #11 01-29-2025, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Another thread where (generally the same) 4-5 people monopolize the airtime, argue in circles, and kill the thread making reading it unbearable for everyone other than the 4-5 monopolizers.

Bottom line is that 150 people have voted and the majority feel that GA should not (or need not) disclose the situation. End of story. If you are in the minority, get over it.

We gotta talk about something, my friend!

Otherwise, the chat room would just be an empty room.

Lorewalker · #12 01-29-2025, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Another thread where (generally the same) 4-5 people monopolize the airtime, argue in circles, and kill the thread making reading it unbearable for everyone other than the 4-5 monopolizers.

Bottom line is that 150 people have voted and the majority feel that GA should not (or need not) disclose the situation. End of story. If you are in the minority, get over it.

How about a poll to see if your first paragraph has any merit?

steve B · #13 01-29-2025, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Another thread where (generally the same) 4-5 people monopolize the airtime, argue in circles, and kill the thread making reading it unbearable for everyone other than the 4-5 monopolizers.

.

Speaking only for myself.
I get to sit back with my snacks and read two (I think ) good lawyers debate what's material. It does drag a bit in places, but it's fun for a while.
Yeah, I'm a bit weird like that.

I said my bit above, and it's mostly ignored. That's ok too.

It's a bit of a downer to see how little even advanced collectors care about getting things right. But the hobby is what it is.

G1911 · #14 01-29-2025, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Another thread where (generally the same) 4-5 people monopolize the airtime, argue in circles, and kill the thread making reading it unbearable for everyone other than the 4-5 monopolizers.

Bottom line is that 150 people have voted and the majority feel that GA should not (or need not) disclose the situation. End of story. If you are in the minority, get over it.

+1. It would, of course, have been completely inappropriate to use this logic last night when it was 69 for disclosure and 68 against disclosure, but now that it is a tiny win the other way around of 74 in favor and 78 against, all discussion should immediately cease. This makes perfect sense.

Peter_Spaeth · #15 01-29-2025, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

+1. It would, of course, have been completely inappropriate to use this logic last night when it was 69 for disclosure and 68 against disclosure, but now that it is a tiny win the other way around of 74 in favor and 78 against, all discussion should immediately cease. This makes perfect sense.

Now 78- 79 lol. Get over it. Oops, I mean it's tied.

G1911 · #16 01-29-2025, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Now 78- 79 lol. Get over it.

And now 79-79! I believe this means people can post on a message board again, until more votes are cast and the tie is broken.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a compelling argument that relied on demanding discussion stop. That's usually done by the weak argument.

Peter_Spaeth · #17 01-29-2025, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

And now 79-79! I believe this means people can post on a message board again, until more votes are cast and the tie is broken.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a compelling argument that relied on demanding discussion stop. That's usually done by the weak argument.

If people don't like threads debating controversial topics, and I get that, then skip them, how effing hard is that? Why read them and then bitch about them and put people down?

G1911 · #18 01-29-2025, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If people don't like threads debating controversial topics, and I get that, then skip them, how effing hard is that? Why read them and then bitch about them and put people down?

Because active discussion means that some posts will not support their agenda, and of course a contrary opinion should never be stated. It is an outrage to encounter an opinion besides ones own. The important thing is that nothing that might not help price values be stated.

Obviously, trying to stop a poll that has been a dead heat 50/50 back and forth at a randomly chosen time when ones view is slightly ahead is the reasonable thing to do, and surely shows the strength of the argument in favor of not disclosing facts.

G1911 · #19 01-29-2025, 04:33 PM

80-79 now.

End of story. If you are in the minority, get over it.

Lorewalker · #20 01-29-2025, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If people don't like threads debating controversial topics, and I get that, then skip them, how effing hard is that? Why read them and then bitch about them and put people down?

Apparently it is pretty damn hard and it is hilarious. Seems to be the same offenders each time too.

samosa4u · #21 01-29-2025, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If people don't like threads debating controversial topics, and I get that, then skip them, how effing hard is that? Why read them and then bitch about them and put people down?

Peter_Spaeth · #22 01-29-2025, 08:04 PM

Taylor had a thing for football players even back then.

samosa4u · #23 01-29-2025, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Another thread where (generally the same) 4-5 people monopolize the airtime, argue in circles, and kill the thread making reading it unbearable for everyone other than the 4-5 monopolizers.

Agreed. There is no need to restate your opinion twenty-five times! And what's up with the essay posts? Introduction ... first body ... second body ... third body ... conclusion.

View Poll Results: Should GA disclose that the PSA 6.5 WWG Dimaggio is the same card as the SGC MIN SIZE
Yes	104	50.73%
No	101	49.27%
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