How to find the commons.

tiger8mush · #1 01-29-2025, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Also what type of collector hurts the hobby the most and I'm sure it's subjective. Is it type collectors, set collectors, single team or player, other?

In what way would any of those collectors hurt the hobby?

brianp-beme · #2 01-29-2025, 05:50 PM

My view is a collector only hurts the hobby if he is no longer collecting.

Brian

Vintage Vern · #3 01-29-2025, 06:00 PM

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My view is a collector only hurts the hobby if he is no longer collecting.

Brian

What about ones that don't care, and won't sell? This kind of reminds me of another hobby I had. Vintage cars. People would let em rot in the ground, and wouldn't sell. I just don't get that line of thinking.

Vintage Vern · #4 01-29-2025, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger8mush

In what way would any of those collectors hurt the hobby?

Different ways I'd imagine.

For me I just inquired about a card that a set collector has. No dice won't sell. Took a decade to get the complete set. Doesn't really care about the players in the set, just that it's complete. I even offered to trade him a lower grade for what he had, and no more response. Still a complete set for him. I'm a single player collector, and I just want to get the best I can since there's very few cards for me to collect. It has personal value to me for multiple reasons.

sbfinley · #5 01-29-2025, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

For me I just inquired about a card that a set collector has. No dice won't sell. Took a decade to get the complete set. Doesn't really care about the players in the set, just that it's complete. I even offered to trade him a lower grade for what he had, and no more response. Still a complete set for him. I'm a single player collector, and I just want to get the best I can since there's very few cards for me to collect. It has personal value to me for multiple reasons.

If it was the set collector contacting you, would you sell it to them or trade them for a lower grade? If the answer is no, then analogical reasoning should get to the answer. Eventually. Maybe.

Vintage Vern · #6 01-29-2025, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sbfinley

If it was the set collector contacting you, would you sell it to them or trade them for a lower grade? If the answer is no, then analogical reasoning should get to the answer. Eventually. Maybe.

If I was a set collector the grade wouldn't matter. Having the complete set would be all that would.

steve B · #7 01-30-2025, 08:34 AM

It takes a lot of looking. When the cards are actually hard to get it takes even longer.
If you want a specific card

Regularly searching Ebay.
Asking here.
Going to shows and asking dealers.

Being willing to pay a bit extra to finally add that one card.

Even some really common cards can take a while.
I didn't make an all out effort, but I needed Jose Canseco to finish my 88 Topps set. It had been a somewhat better card, so it was never in big lots I'd buy. But it had gotten "cold" in the market, slid to the dollar box, then to less. Usually the old no longer selling dollar box "out back"
Everyone was sure they had it. But even offering $2 for what was then a 25 cent card wasn't enough for anyone to go dig it out.
Yes, I could have bought a complete set for something like $10 but where's the fun in that?
It took around 2 years I think but I did finally find one.

steve B · #8 01-30-2025, 08:42 AM

I don't think any type of collector hurts the hobby.

Every type of collector affects the hobby in some way usually not by much. Sometimes by a lot. Any other collector my like or not like those effects, but they generally don't hurt the hobby overall.

Set collectors may tie up more difficult cards a player or team collector wants. But they also buy up commons that are slower selling, which makes those commons worth slightly more.

Player collectors or HOF collectors bump up prices on cards the set collector may need. But those higher prices slightly drag the commons up with them, also helping the set collector in the long run.

Investors, drive the prices of premium cards up by a LOT. That puts many cards any other sort of collector wants out of reach. But those high prices in turn make people finding vintage cards pause on the way to the trash, and that brings "new" stuff into the hobby. Which is good for everyone.

And so on for pretty much every kind of collector.

Gorditadogg · #9 01-30-2025, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

If I was a set collector the grade wouldn't matter. Having the complete set would be all that would.

Oh, really. I just learned something new about myself. Up until a minute ago, I thought I just wanted near mint cards in my sets. This sure makes my set collecting a lot easier. Thanks!

Vintage Vern · #10 01-30-2025, 06:10 PM

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Oh, really. I just learned something new about myself. Up until a minute ago, I thought I just wanted near mint cards in my sets. This sure makes my set collecting a lot easier. Thanks!

Glad I could be of service.

Context is hard thing for some. Don't bump your head from the soap box fall.

OhioLawyerF5 · #11 01-30-2025, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Different ways I'd imagine.

For me I just inquired about a card that a set collector has. No dice won't sell. Took a decade to get the complete set. Doesn't really care about the players in the set, just that it's complete. I even offered to trade him a lower grade for what he had, and no more response. Still a complete set for him. I'm a single player collector, and I just want to get the best I can since there's very few cards for me to collect. It has personal value to me for multiple reasons.

That in no way hurts the hobby. A collector acquiring a card and not selling it IS the hobby.

sb1 · #12 01-30-2025, 10:31 AM

The best way might be to let people know what you are searching for, you have yet to say what it is. Just maybe someone on this board has it or knows someone who does....

raulus · #13 01-30-2025, 11:42 AM

Usually your best bet to pick up the commons is going to be on eBay or else through a dealer.

There are a number of dealer-type sellers on eBay who are breaking up larger sets and who offer the option of picking the card that you want from the set. Obviously your one card isn't always going to be on the list, but scrolling through those should be part of your strategy.

Sadly, any way you do it will probably both require a lot of patience, and you may have to overpay a bit to get what you want.

Otherwise, about your only option is usually to buy a larger lot that happens to include the piece that you really want. And then spend a lot of time trying to offload the pieces that you didn't really want but had to buy to get the piece that you really wanted.

BioCRN · #14 01-30-2025, 11:51 AM

It's a hell of a thing in the hobby. You want a Cobb, Ruth, etc? There's tons to choose from at any given moment. The only thing holding people back is the cash and/or price.

You want some random semi-star or common? Save searches on sites that let you, enter searches on every random auction that opens, and have friends keep an eye out for you.

It makes sense, but it's a hell of a realization that going after the top dogs is very easy and trying to find some dude that put in 3-5 years then went to work selling insurance might take you years.

Vintage Vern · #15 01-30-2025, 06:15 PM

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It's a hell of a thing in the hobby. You want a Cobb, Ruth, etc? There's tons to choose from at any given moment. The only thing holding people back is the cash and/or price.

You want some random semi-star or common? Save searches on sites that let you, enter searches on every random auction that opens, and have friends keep an eye out for you.

It makes sense, but it's a hell of a realization that going after the top dogs is very easy and trying to find some dude that put in 3-5 years then went to work selling insurance might take you years.

So true. I messed up a few times early on, and have really paid the piper.

puckpaul · #16 01-30-2025, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Different ways I'd imagine.

For me I just inquired about a card that a set collector has. No dice won't sell. Took a decade to get the complete set. Doesn't really care about the players in the set, just that it's complete. I even offered to trade him a lower grade for what he had, and no more response. Still a complete set for him. I'm a single player collector, and I just want to get the best I can since there's very few cards for me to collect. It has personal value to me for multiple reasons.

First, it�s his card and he can do what he wishes. Second, you have it already in lower grade?? Why the whining?

Vintage Vern · #17 01-30-2025, 06:44 PM

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First, it�s his card and he can do what he wishes. Second, you have it already in lower grade?? Why the whining?

Never said it wasn't.

What I was given for a response was literally he didn't want to break the set up. That's why I responded with an offer, but got nothing back. I did so knowing he had no set parameters with grades because he has [A up to 7] most in the 1 to 4 range.

I don't have the lower card I just know of one I could obtain. He would still have a full set and I could get the card that has personal value I'm looking for.

My reasons are multiple, but I want the best I can get within reason. Everything I find will be donated to the town in which the player(s) came from. I have 2 players to find items for Jerry Mehlisch, Verne Clemons and non player owner Jim Dunn. They all came from the small town of Clemons Iowa. Same town I'm from. I can guarantee my desire far outweighs any guy just trying to get a complete set. All 3 are distant relatives as well.

OhioLawyerF5 · #18 01-30-2025, 06:47 PM

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Never said it wasn't.

What I was given for a response was literally he didn't want to break the set up. That's why I responded with an offer, but got nothing back. I did so knowing he had no set parameters with grades because he has [A up to 7] most in the 1 to 4 range.

I don't have the lower card I just know of one I could obtain. He would still have a full set and I could get the card that has personal value I'm looking for.

My reasons are multiple, but I want the best I can get within reason. Everything I find will be donated to the town in which the player(s) came from. I have 2 players to find items for Jerry Mehlisch, Verne Clemons and non player owner Jim Dunn. They all came from the small town of Clemons Iowa. Same town I'm from. I can guarantee my desire far outweighs any guy just trying to get a complete set. All 3 are distant relatives as well.

This is the most self-centered response I've ever seen.

Vintage Vern · #19 01-30-2025, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

This is the most self-centered response I've ever seen.

How so?

raulus · #20 01-30-2025, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

My reasons are multiple, but I want the best I can get within reason. Everything I find will be donated to the town in which the player(s) came from. I have 2 players to find items for Jerry Mehlisch, Verne Clemons and non player owner Jim Dunn. They all came from the small town of Clemons Iowa. Same town I'm from. I can guarantee my desire far outweighs any guy just trying to get a complete set. All 3 are distant relatives as well.

Regardless of how pure your motives are, if the current owner isn't really interested in selling, your options are to move on or to make him a stupid high offer that he could never refuse.

Quite honestly, paying way too much for it is about the only way you can really put the strength of your desire into action.

Vintage Vern · #21 01-30-2025, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus

Regardless of how pure your motives are, if the current owner isn't really interested in selling, your options are to move on or to make him a stupid high offer that he could never refuse.

Quite honestly, paying way too much for it is about the only way you can really put the strength of your desire into action.

Yep, but I don't give them the back story of why I'm wanting the items. I just know many don't even know who they are, and their value is way different then mine.

Mark17 · #22 01-30-2025, 07:02 PM

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I can guarantee my desire far outweighs any guy just trying to get a complete set.

Your collection is more important than anyone else's. In your mind only.

Vintage Vern · #23 01-30-2025, 07:10 PM

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Your collection is more important than anyone else's. In your mind only.

It's not a collection. It's town history preserved for future generations of a small town of about 140 people. It's people that are blood relatives of mine. I can post personal letters if you think it's just a collection you'll soon find out it's much deeper then that for me. Jerry just passed last year at 92 almost 93 years old. Trust me my intention is far more then a collection like yours may be. Every penny I spend is lost, but the value it brings for others can't be measured.

raulus · #24 01-30-2025, 07:13 PM

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It's not a collection. It's town history preserved for future generations of a small town of about 140 people. It's people that are blood relatives of mine. I can post personal letters if you think it's just a collection you'll soon find out it's much deeper then that for me. Jerry just passed last year at 92 almost 93 years old. Trust me my intention is far more then a collection like yours may be. Every penny I spend is lost, but the value it brings for others can't be measured.

Sounds like it's time to break out your check book to buy that card.

OhioLawyerF5 · #25 01-30-2025, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

It's not a collection. It's town history preserved for future generations of a small town of about 140 people. It's people that are blood relatives of mine. I can post personal letters if you think it's just a collection you'll soon find out it's much deeper then that for me. Jerry just passed last year at 92 almost 93 years old. Trust me my intention is far more then a collection like yours may be. Every penny I spend is lost, but the value it brings for others can't be measured.

Rationalize it any way you want, but your ownership of the card is no more important or valid than the current owner who wants it for their set. This mindset hurts the hobby more than any type of collector.

carlsonjok · #26 01-31-2025, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Everything I find will be donated to the town in which the player(s) came from. I have 2 players to find items for Jerry Mehlisch, Verne Clemons and non player owner Jim Dunn. They all came from the small town of Clemons Iowa. Same town I'm from. I can guarantee my desire far outweighs any guy just trying to get a complete set. All 3 are distant relatives as well.

It is unusual to find such unanimity on this board. That folks are universally telling you that you are in the wrong ought to give you pause, but you plow ahead nonetheless. I agree with them and won't belabor that point.

But, I am going to point something out. While you state you are a single player collector, you also state that the items will be donated to the town of Clemons, a booming metropolis of 140 people. Presumably this will happen upon your death? Or not? If so, exactly how old are you? A 25 year old promising to donate material is far different than an 85 year old. Either way, you might want to consider that donating materials to a town of 140 may actually be a pretty poor means of historical preservation.

Don't believe me? Take 90 minutes and drive down to Van Meter ( pop. 1484) and visit the Bob Feller Museum. Wait. You can't. It closed and the building is now the Van Meter townhall with only some of the material preserved and on display. If a town 10 times the size of Clemons can't support a museum for an all time great, how does that bode for your Clemons collection?

Vintage Vern · #27 02-02-2025, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by carlsonjok

It is unusual to find such unanimity on this board. That folks are universally telling you that you are in the wrong ought to give you pause, but you plow ahead nonetheless. I agree with them and won't belabor that point.

But, I am going to point something out. While you state you are a single player collector, you also state that the items will be donated to the town of Clemons, a booming metropolis of 140 people. Presumably this will happen upon your death? Or not? If so, exactly how old are you? A 25 year old promising to donate material is far different than an 85 year old. Either way, you might want to consider that donating materials to a town of 140 may actually be a pretty poor means of historical preservation.

Don't believe me? Take 90 minutes and drive down to Van Meter ( pop. 1484) and visit the Bob Feller Museum. Wait. You can't. It closed and the building is now the Van Meter townhall with only some of the material preserved and on display. If a town 10 times the size of Clemons can't support a museum for an all time great, how does that bode for your Clemons collection?

Again, I'm not a single player collector that'sthe label I used to describe myself for others to recognize or connect with . I named the 3 individuals that I look for, Only 1 has cards from the pro level in Verne Clemons. The other Jerry Mehlisch has 1 card released in 1953 when he played for the Fargo Moorhead Twins. Dunn was the owner of the Cleveland Indians. There's many more individuals that I try to find items for, but they're not for here to discuss.

Bob Feller is a totally different situation. That was a money grab that disappeared once he died. This isn't for money making, it's for preserving our small towns history.

I'm trying to keep all my items in our small town, but not sure we can build and house all that is needed. I come from a small town that is part of a larger county, and I do have another option with a historical society in a larger city. I just want to give our small town the first shot. Some items have already left for the larger viewing. I just don't think it has the same meaning. Adrian "Cap" Anson is the king there. Many of the items I was given from Jerry before he passed were discussed and he was OK with both options. I'm also going to try to get an article in the local paper digging back into the 40s and 50s for the Clemons 9 baseball team and in the pre 1920s and early 1920s for Verne. I want to get in touch with as many families as I can before I start with that project. Both to get permission and storied facts and see if they have anything to offer of their family member they'd like to group together for people to view. The paper had an archive we can pull from as well. None of what I'm doing is for personal or monetary gain. It's not just me, but a group effort. We just lost one of the last town elders, and she had vast knowledge from the 30s forward. We have one last older gent that is also donating lots of historical items. There's great pride in these small dying towns. Have you ever eaten at a DQ aka Dairy Queen? The co-founder was from here originally. Dick "Sherb" Noble. This town has had a lot of people that did great things for its size.

You're a collector of baseball, I'm a so called "collector" of this towns history which happens to include some baseball talents. I'm preserving not collecting.

OhioLawyerF5 · #28 02-02-2025, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Again, I'm not a single player collector that'sthe label I used to describe myself for others to recognize or connect with . I named the 3 individuals that I look for, Only 1 has cards from the pro level in Verne Clemons. The other Jerry Mehlisch has 1 card released in 1953 when he played for the Fargo Moorhead Twins. Dunn was the owner of the Cleveland Indians. There's many more individuals that I try to find items for, but they're not for here to discuss.

Bob Feller is a totally different situation. That was a money grab that disappeared once he died. This isn't for money making, it's for preserving our small towns history.

I'm trying to keep all my items in our small town, but not sure we can build and house all that is needed. I come from a small town that is part of a larger county, and I do have another option with a historical society in a larger city. I just want to give our small town the first shot. Some items have already left for the larger viewing. I just don't think it has the same meaning. Adrian "Cap" Anson is the king there. Many of the items I was given from Jerry before he passed were discussed and he was OK with both options. I'm also going to try to get an article in the local paper digging back into the 40s and 50s for the Clemons 9 baseball team and in the pre 1920s and early 1920s for Verne. I want to get in touch with as many families as I can before I start with that project. Both to get permission and storied facts and see if they have anything to offer of their family member they'd like to group together for people to view. The paper had an archive we can pull from as well. None of what I'm doing is for personal or monetary gain. It's not just me, but a group effort. We just lost one of the last town elders, and she had vast knowledge from the 30s forward. We have one last older gent that is also donating lots of historical items. There's great pride in these small dying towns. Have you ever eaten at a DQ aka Dairy Queen? The co-founder was from here originally. Dick "Sherb" Noble. This town has had a lot of people that did great things for its size.

You're a collector of baseball, I'm a so called "collector" of this towns history which happens to include some baseball talents. I'm preserving not collecting.

Collectors like us are also curating history and preserving it.

Mark17 · #29 02-02-2025, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

I'm trying to keep all my items in our small town, but not sure we can build and house all that is needed. I come from a small town that is part of a larger county, and I do have another option with a historical society in a larger city. I just want to give our small town the first shot. Some items have already left for the larger viewing. I just don't think it has the same meaning. Adrian "Cap" Anson is the king there. Many of the items I was given from Jerry before he passed were discussed and he was OK with both options. I'm also going to try to get an article in the local paper digging back into the 40s and 50s for the Clemons 9 baseball team and in the pre 1920s and early 1920s for Verne. I want to get in touch with as many families as I can before I start with that project. Both to get permission and storied facts and see if they have anything to offer of their family member they'd like to group together for people to view. The paper had an archive we can pull from as well. None of what I'm doing is for personal or monetary gain. It's not just me, but a group effort. We just lost one of the last town elders, and she had vast knowledge from the 30s forward. We have one last older gent that is also donating lots of historical items. There's great pride in these small dying towns. Have you ever eaten at a DQ aka Dairy Queen? The co-founder was from here originally. Dick "Sherb" Noble. This town has had a lot of people that did great things for its size.

You're a collector of baseball, I'm a so called "collector" of this towns history which happens to include some baseball talents. I'm preserving not collecting.

Since preserving history is your higher stated goal, why not focus on writing a book about the town? You're already doing a ton of research, talking to elderly people who have priceless historical insight to the town. There are many, many more facets to Clemons than just the 3 baseball personalities you mention. There's their history, yes, but that could be expanded greatly in your book. Pictures of the houses where these men grew up, biographies of them, and other members of the town's baseball team (including rosters of the team through the years, maybe some accounts of games, and so on.)

What would preserve history better - giving that community a well-researched, multi-faceted history gleaned from the recollections of elderly residents, photos of the town, its building and residents through the decades, or a few baseball cards, which, to the average person, are simply small pictures?

You mention an article you're looking for. When you find stuff like that, include it in your book for long-term preservation, for all to see and read. You could also search articles in other newspapers that have accounts of games played when the Clemons team visited their town.

Before I retired, I was a business analyst, and the first and most important thing was to examine and clarify requirements before thinking about implementation solutions. It seems to me your requirement - your passion - is to preserve the history of Clemons. You clearly understand that time is of the essence, because people with invaluable recollections and insights are steadily disappearing. However, you have, in my opinion, made the common mistake of leaping to an implementation solution (collecting a small handful of obscure baseball cards.) If you go back to the core requirement, you may find that general research might be far more valuable than, for example, replacing a card that has a crease and missing paper on the back, with a nicer copy.

If you're familiar with Larry Ritter's book, The Glory of Their Times, you know about his method, which was to interview elderly players while recording the conversations (with their permissions of course.) You could do that, with veteran farmers, policemen, firemen, grocery store owners, mayors, etc.

I've collected cards for basically my entire life and I can tell you honestly, if someone had a T206 Wagner on display 30 minutes from me, I wouldn't bother to see it. Why? For me, seeing a picture of it would suffice. Put photos of the cards you seek in your book and that will satisfy the great majority of people interested in the subject of the town of Clemons.

You could have a ton of fun with such a project instead of being frustrated with your elusive pursuit of scarce pieces of cardboard. You could accomplish far, far more in terms of historical preservation across all areas of life, with a nice focus on the town baseball team, if that's your main passion. Instead of searching in vain for someone who will sell you that 1953 minor league card, seek out an advanced collector who might provide you with a high resolution scan of it.

Your book, self-published probably, would be available to all, and forever into the future. Unlike a handful of cards, which will end up somewhere, at best in some obscure display with little context.

You obviously are a very skilled writer. You have a deep passion. Preserving history really matters to you. My humble suggestion is, re-examine your core requirement, re-define you implementation strategy, and proceed to document the full history of the town of Clemons.

doug.goodman · #30 02-04-2025, 11:05 PM

Wow. This thread is amazing. So many comments I wanted to make as I made my way from the start.

I skipped a couple pages because Vern is evidently the reincarnation of the recently departed bigfoot, so it's possible that somebody already said this but :

Common cards are by definition "common" = "easy to find".

Vern (possibly previously known as bigfoot) none of the players you are looking for fit that definition.

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Never said it wasn't.

What I was given for a response was literally he didn't want to break the set up. That's why I responded with an offer, but got nothing back. I did so knowing he had no set parameters with grades because he has [A up to 7] most in the 1 to 4 range.

I don't have the lower card I just know of one I could obtain. He would still have a full set and I could get the card that has personal value I'm looking for.

My reasons are multiple, but I want the best I can get within reason. Everything I find will be donated to the town in which the player(s) came from. I have 2 players to find items for Jerry Mehlisch, Verne Clemons and non player owner Jim Dunn. They all came from the small town of Clemons Iowa. Same town I'm from. I can guarantee my desire far outweighs any guy just trying to get a complete set. All 3 are distant relatives as well.

My only response to that amazing display of narcissism is to post this picture of a completely unique Heilbroner card which is for sale for $5000 insured postage paid.

Doug

G1911 · #31 01-30-2025, 01:16 PM

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Different ways I'd imagine.

For me I just inquired about a card that a set collector has. No dice won't sell. Took a decade to get the complete set. Doesn't really care about the players in the set, just that it's complete. I even offered to trade him a lower grade for what he had, and no more response. Still a complete set for him. I'm a single player collector, and I just want to get the best I can since there's very few cards for me to collect. It has personal value to me for multiple reasons.

�The hobby� and �your personal interests� are two different things. How is it hurting the hobby for other collectors to not put your collecting over their own? People are not obligated to sell/trade you a card because you want it. There�s a few items I�d like that people won�t sell, but they aren�t hurting the hobby by keeping them and declining my overpay offer. None of us are entitled to an item. Especially if you�re trying to trade them an objectively worse item for an objectively better item. Why would somebody trade you a higher grade copy for a lower grade one? That�s a very bad deal for them.

JollyElm · #32 01-30-2025, 03:17 PM

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�The hobby� and �your personal interests� are two different things. How is it hurting the hobby for other collectors to not put your collecting over their own? People are not obligated to sell/trade you a card because you want it. There�s a few items I�d like that people won�t sell, but they aren�t hurting the hobby by keeping them and declining my overpay offer. None of us are entitled to an item.

This. Exactly this.

Vintage Vern · #33 01-30-2025, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

�The hobby� and �your personal interests� are two different things. How is it hurting the hobby for other collectors to not put your collecting over their own? People are not obligated to sell/trade you a card because you want it. There�s a few items I�d like that people won�t sell, but they aren�t hurting the hobby by keeping them and declining my overpay offer. None of us are entitled to an item. Especially if you�re trying to trade them an objectively worse item for an objectively better item. Why would somebody trade you a higher grade copy for a lower grade one? That�s a very bad deal for them.

It's not collecting. Again, you're missing context. I just explained it in another post. If a person was looking for the highest grade and that was stated my offer would have never been offered. What was stated was he wanted a complete set and my offer would have still given him that. He's not into high grades as he has A-7 most in the 1 to 4 range. I'm not asking to deal on a HOFer, but a common the guy probably doesn't even know who he is.

G1911 · #34 01-30-2025, 07:46 PM

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It's not collecting. Again, you're missing context. I just explained it in another post. If a person was looking for the highest grade and that was stated my offer would have never been offered. What was stated was he wanted a complete set and my offer would have still given him that. He's not into high grades as he has A-7 most in the 1 to 4 range. I'm not asking to deal on a HOFer, but a common the guy probably doesn't even know who he is.

... Are you seriously arguing that a set collector wanting to keep his higher grade card is not collecting because they didn't give it to you for a lower grade copy? Offering someone a lower grade copy of the card (which you apparently do not even have!) for a nicer one is not of any benefit to the other collector; that's them giving you something for something lesser. Why would they do that? Other people are not obligated to give you things. Other people who do not service your desires are still collectors. A collector is defined as somebody who lets you rip them off and give you whatever you want.

Vintage Vern · #35 01-30-2025, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

... Are you seriously arguing that a set collector wanting to keep his higher grade card is not collecting because they didn't give it to you for a lower grade copy? Offering someone a lower grade copy of the card (which you apparently do not even have!) for a nicer one is not of any benefit to the other collector; that's them giving you something for something lesser. Why would they do that? Other people are not obligated to give you things. Other people who do not service your desires are still collectors. A collector is defined as somebody who lets you rip them off and give you whatever you want.

Is reading comprehension that much of a lost art?
Seriously is it?

raulus · #36 01-30-2025, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Is reading comprehension that much of a lost art?
Seriously is it?

Now you're trying to out-Greg the OG (original Greg)!

G1911 · #37 01-30-2025, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Is reading comprehension that much of a lost art?
Seriously is it?

Yes. I�m the dumbest fellow alive. But even I know I�m not entitled to anyone�s cards and don�t make threads bitching someone didn�t let me rip them off.

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