How to find the commons.

OhioLawyerF5 · #1 02-02-2025, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

I was going to let this go, and let it die, but I need to help your difficulties of understanding something very simple. My stance has never changed which you keep claiming as fact.

Again I'll try to slow things down so you can comprehend.

The deal started as do you want to sell the card.

Definition of sell
give or hand over (something) in exchange for money.

His response back was no thanks I don't want to break a set.

My 2nd and last response was I'll include a lower grade card so you will still have s full set in which he didn't respond, at which point I didn't bother him any further. Pretty damn simple. Your mountain, meet molehill.

It was a transaction attempt I'd imagine many people here have done. That was if you care to read my initial post. You just chose to read it incorrectly or couldn't grasp what was said. Since it's still ongoing I'd say both are true

I'm collecting in the sense to give, not a collection for myself. Lables are used, so I attached that label to identify myself as a single player collector for my second question of my original post.

I don't think I was being salty, I was simply discussing an attempt to get a card.

The second question was honestly just a question asked, because I'm not a card collector. I just thought it was a harmless question that must have struck a nerve of some folks.

I just wanted to understand the hobby more. Its actually amazing to me some of the stupid response I got. Like I don't understand it's not my card or that I can't make a person sell it or that my priority trumps someone else's.

The card holder shouldn't have just said, I don't want to break the set, sid not for sale. That would have been the end. I would have said, well if you ever want to sell let me know. I wasn't being a jerk many have painted me out to be.

If you want to label me a collector it's of anything relevant to Clemons. I'd label myself as a preservationist. The bullshit is on your end, and I'm sorry you can't grasp this.

This illusion of yours, and others thinking "my superiority of collecting " is pure idiocy. I take it your a set collector, and got all steamed, and couldn't see straight past that initial take. Again, it wasn't to point a finger at any type of collector. I simply stated what happened in a transaction, and then I thought to add the second question, and it had no relevance to my first question. Maybe I should have just made two separate posts.

People are acting like I'm trying to strong arm people to sell me something. Ask anyone I have delt with, and they can tell you I'm nothing like that.

I'm not getting cards, because they're very few to get. That's why I tried to ask a person if they would sell. I don't have many options. Its not a money thing like trying to buy a HOFer it's a population thing. I'm dealing in less the 10 known cards or less recognized. Most are under 5. The E120 has the most. I haven't checked between all the registries. I've been here for multiple years trying to find things. The reality is the items I'm searching for aren't a common want.

Actually, I made a thread you ignored the main ask. Just so you understand the set collector was just part of a discussion not to point blame. If that's the case I also blamed myself. The irony!

You clearly need to reread what you've posted in this thread. And don't stop at the first post. You have absolutely acted like your right to a card is better than someone else's.

Vintage Vern · #2 02-02-2025, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You clearly need to reread what you've posted in this thread. And don't stop at the first post. You have absolutely acted like your right to a card is better than someone else's.

That's your interpretation. Don't even try to tell me what I am or what I'm not doing. You haven't a clue, and it’s on full display!

What I said was a person that is just collecting to get a set doesn't care what or who is in that set, just to get it completed. That’s just a fact.

You would still collect a set if Verne wasn't part of it, correct? The only reason you'd even care to have his card was if he were in the set. Don't lie to me or yourself. That's the only reason for most set collectors. That's not a bad thing, just reality

The other type collector would be a team collector. Some may have more interest in common players most are probably like set collectors, and just want them for that reason.

The only reason I want them is because it has personal value outside of collecting for baseball. 1st he has family DNA and also where I live his family started the town of Clemons Grove. His grandfather William Clemons was the founder. That's my want for them.

So yes if you want to know if I feel I have more interest in them then many I'd say yes, absolutely. That's where it would end. I don't think I'm entitled to anything nor have I applied that. That's you not me that thinks that.

This is what you're interpretation is if you want me to spitball for your thoughts. You've put words in my mouth so I'll do so for you.

You feel I think I'm more entitled to it because hear me out. I tried to offer him money then offer a card on top of that, because he implied he didn't want to break up a set. My sole intention was to keep him having a full set, and me getting a card I wanted. That’s it! Period. Anything else was idiocy thrown my way. I tried to make a deal that would work for both parties. This entire thing blew up because of some thin skinned set collectors that ignored the true question asked of how to find the Verne Clemons of the world. You like many others blew right past the main question and got butt hurt.

OhioLawyerF5 · #3 02-02-2025, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

That's your interpretation. Don't even try to tell me what I am or what I'm not doing. You haven't a clue, and it�s on full display!

What I said was a person that is just collecting to get a set doesn't care what or who is in that set, just to get it completed. That�s just a fact.

You would still collect a set if Verne wasn't part of it, correct? The only reason you'd even care to have his card was if he were in the set. Don't lie to me or yourself. That's the only reason for most set collectors. That's not a bad thing, just reality

The other type collector would be a team collector. Some may have more interest in common players most are probably like set collectors, and just want them for that reason.

The only reason I want them is because it has personal value outside of collecting for baseball. 1st he has family DNA and also where I live his family started the town of Clemons Grove. His grandfather William Clemons was the founder. That's my want for them.

So yes if you want to know if I feel I have more interest in them then many I'd say yes, absolutely. That's where it would end. I don't think I'm entitled to anything nor have I applied that. That's you not me that thinks that.

This is what you're interpretation is if you want me to spitball for your thoughts. You've put words in my mouth so I'll do so for you.

You feel I think I'm more entitled to it because hear me out. I tried to offer him money then offer a card on top of that, because he implied he didn't want to break up a set. My sole intention was to keep him having a full set, and me getting a card I wanted. That�s it! Period. Anything else was idiocy thrown my way. I tried to make a deal that would work for both parties. This entire thing blew up because of some thin skinned set collectors that ignored the true question asked of how to find the Verne Clemons of the world. You like many others blew right past the main question and got butt hurt.

So you aren't going to reread what you wrote, I see. Just continue to spout off walls of text that do nothing but show you are only capable of posting on emotion. Ironically, you call us thin skinned and butthurt. LOL

jayshum · #4 02-02-2025, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

That's your interpretation. Don't even try to tell me what I am or what I'm not doing. You haven't a clue, and it�s on full display!

What I said was a person that is just collecting to get a set doesn't care what or who is in that set, just to get it completed. That�s just a fact.

You would still collect a set if Verne wasn't part of it, correct? The only reason you'd even care to have his card was if he were in the set. Don't lie to me or yourself. That's the only reason for most set collectors. That's not a bad thing, just reality

The other type collector would be a team collector. Some may have more interest in common players most are probably like set collectors, and just want them for that reason.

The only reason I want them is because it has personal value outside of collecting for baseball. 1st he has family DNA and also where I live his family started the town of Clemons Grove. His grandfather William Clemons was the founder. That's my want for them.

So yes if you want to know if I feel I have more interest in them then many I'd say yes, absolutely. That's where it would end. I don't think I'm entitled to anything nor have I applied that. That's you not me that thinks that.

This is what you're interpretation is if you want me to spitball for your thoughts. You've put words in my mouth so I'll do so for you.

You feel I think I'm more entitled to it because hear me out. I tried to offer him money then offer a card on top of that, because he implied he didn't want to break up a set. My sole intention was to keep him having a full set, and me getting a card I wanted. That�s it! Period. Anything else was idiocy thrown my way. I tried to make a deal that would work for both parties. This entire thing blew up because of some thin skinned set collectors that ignored the true question asked of how to find the Verne Clemons of the world. You like many others blew right past the main question and got butt hurt.

As a long time set collector, I agree that it's true that the reason I want a card is to complete my set regardless of who the player is. However, that doesn't mean I'll buy any card just to fill the spot in the set. Maybe some people will, but I usually have a set of criteria for the cards I want in a set I'm working on. Regardless of the fact that you said his set was a range from A to 7, maybe there was something about the card that you offered him (apparently with cash) that didn't meet his criteria for his set so he turned you down.

As for how to find the commons like Verne Clemons, it takes time and effort looking through a lot of online auctions and listings and a lot of boxes and books of cards at shows sometimes to find some cards. For a lot of people, that's what they like about the hobby - the hunt for that elusive card they've been trying to find for years.

Vintage Vern · #5 02-02-2025, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum

As a long time set collector, I agree that it's true that the reason I want a card is to complete my set regardless of who the player is. However, that doesn't mean I'll buy any card just to fill the spot in the set. Maybe some people will, but I usually have a set of criteria for the cards I want in a set I'm working on. Regardless of the fact that you said his set was a range from A to 7, maybe there was something about the card that you offered him (apparently with cash) that didn't meet his criteria for his set so he turned you down.

As for how to find the commons like Verne Clemons, it takes time and effort looking through a lot of online auctions and listings and a lot of boxes and books of cards at shows sometimes to find some cards. For a lot of people, that's what they like about the hobby - the hunt for that elusive card they've been trying to find for years.

Thanks for this post. It never got to that point, and I just left it at that. I didn't try to push passed that point. I didn't get a response back so nothing was offered in detail.

The only reason I even gave a second response was because he didn't shut the door, just said that he wanted a complete set and not to break it. No issue on my end at all. I just noticed he had many cards from 1 to 4 so thought I would offer a lower grade card and cash. No response back so I left it there.

When I first started looking I had probably 3 or 4 cards on ebay and they just sat there with no buyers. This was before I truly committed to dive in head first. I thought no big deal they pop up all the time. Boy was I was wrong, they all sold and here I am today. I can remeber at least 2 E120s 5 being the highest and 4 the lowest. I also remebr a type 1 and 2 V61 can't remebr the grade and 1 was raw actually a few raw, but some had major issues. Well not getting too deep I know of some cards, but the seller knows what I want and jacked up his prices. His cards his business. I just can't buy them at 2 times the going rate at best.

Most of those cards I mentioned are in set collectors hands at least it appears so from registry look ups. At that time, in early days of looking I didn't know how to follow the cards cert numbers. I'm just guessing some are in collections not for sale and maybe a few mid grades hidden away. Raw I wouldn't be real good at grading, but just haven't seen many offered either.

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