SUBJECT: BEWARE Steve Verkman, Keith Vari, Leland�s, Clean Sweep & Paragon auctions

jingram058 · #1 02-05-2025, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by parkplace33

Im not. This board loves AHs.

It's also a country club comprised of very wealthy arm chair "sea lawyers" who know everything about everything. If you're not in the club, or go counter to the club's unwritten rules of buying and selling very expensive (pocket change to them) graded cards they just ignore you.

Snapolit1 · #2 02-05-2025, 10:41 AM

I am not offering an opinion on the OP's situation. If anything the facts are so freakin' opaque, and incomplete, and conflicting as to what the hell even happened here, any opinion on this board appears to me to more of a guess.

I will say that it's amazing to me how many people on the board denigrate AHs at every opportunity and seem to have little clue as to how much work they (or at least the good ones) actually do. Canvassing for items, collecting, sorting, organizing, handling sending off to grading, investigating and researching, photographing, preparing a catalog, doing mailing, etc. Some of you guys seem to believe that these guys running AHs are sitting on their asses all day long smoking cigars just waiting for money to pour in. It's absurd. To the extent I have any visibility into how they do business, it seems to be a shit ton of of work to build out an auction, deal with consignors, deal with bidders, answer phone calls the night of the auction, deal with pissed off consignors and bidders after the auction, ship hundreds of boxes out, track down missing boxes, etc.

Occasionally I sell a few items a month on eBay and it's much more of a pain in the ass than I really need.

G1911 · #3 02-05-2025, 11:05 AM

Auction houses are legitimate businesses that perform tasks and functions, and don't just sit there waiting for money to roll in.

Cherry-picking the collection (if true) and taking 40% of the cut is a really, really bad deal for the consignor.

No reasonable person should have signed this contract when it was presented to them, for, if nothing else, that it is more like someone's notes than an actual contract and is wildly incomplete. A consignor need not sign anything put in front of them and should not, the auction house obviously is looking out for their own financial interests, and the consignor should know to do the same for themselves and do their due diligence.

This 'contract' is so poorly phrased and done that it should be pretty easy to get out of.

An inventory list would complete the evidentiary part from the consignors end.

It would be interesting to hear how the OP's post was "not accurate", as the production of the contract seems to validate most of them.

We can further deduce its probably not a fair deal to the consignor because talk of it had to be banned to the watercooler to reduce eyes on it, which does not happen to threads that reflect well on Lelands, only those that reflect poorly (previous example: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=276894)

Leon · #4 02-05-2025, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Auction houses are legitimate businesses that perform tasks and functions, and don't just sit there waiting for money to roll in.

Cherry-picking the collection (if true) and taking 40% of the cut is a really, really bad deal for the consignor.

No reasonable person should have signed this contract when it was presented to them, for, if nothing else, that it is more like someone's notes than an actual contract and is wildly incomplete. A consignor need not sign anything put in front of them and should not, the auction house obviously is looking out for their own financial interests, and the consignor should know to do the same for themselves and do their due diligence.

This 'contract' is so poorly phrased and done that it should be pretty easy to get out of.

An inventory list would complete the evidentiary part from the consignors end.

It would be interesting to hear how the OP's post was "not accurate", as the production of the contract seems to validate most of them.

We can further deduce its probably not a fair deal to the consignor because talk of it had to be banned to the watercooler to reduce eyes on it, which does not happen to threads that reflect well on Lelands, only those that reflect poorly (previous example: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=276894)

You are just an ignorant asshole sometimes that has a part of a story and then you make crap up. That thread you listed was posted 8 days after my wife of 25 yrs died tragically. I wasn't dealing with Josh Evans at the time and did what I did. Like I say, every situation is different. That said, just in case you don't like it here...

G1911 · #5 02-05-2025, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

You are just an ignorant asshole sometimes that has a part of a story and then you make crap up. That thread you listed was posted 8 days after my wife of 25 yrs died tragically. I wasn't dealing with Josh Evans at the time and did what I did. Like I say, every situation is different. That said, just in case you don't like it here...

Yes, I am all bad things and every insult is correct. What crap did I make up though in that post? At least 2 threads criticizing Lelands have, in provable fact, been sent to the watercooler. I said nothing about any deal you may have with Evans, much less when you had/have such dealings - that was a completely different poster in a different post in the thread.

Is there a rule that watercooler banishings cannot be brought up? Several people in the last thread and at least 2 others in this one are guilty of it too without receiving these insults or a ban.

Leon · #6 02-05-2025, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, I am all bad things and every insult is correct. What crap did I make up though in that post? At least 2 threads criticizing Lelands have, in provable fact, been sent to the watercooler. I said nothing about any deal you may have with Evans, much less when you had/have such dealings - that was a completely different poster in a different post in the thread.

Is there a rule that watercooler banishings cannot be brought up? Several people in the last thread and at least 2 others in this one are guilty of it too without receiving these insults or a ban.

I never said anything about a ban. If someone gets banned then they did something they were asked not to do or they didn't follow normal rules. You might read the rules if you want to know what is in there. They have been posted forever....

G1911 · #7 02-05-2025, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

I never said anything about a ban. If someone gets banned then they did something they were asked not to do or they didn't follow normal rules. You might read the rules if you want to know what is in there. They have been posted forever....

Yes, I have seen them. So, what did I make up? You directly accused me of making crap up, which would be lying. Where did I do this? The documentary record supports exactly what I said, and I even linked it in my claim.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 02-05-2025, 11:13 AM

Did the OP already accept a cash advance?

Casey2296 · #9 02-05-2025, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

It's also a country club comprised of very wealthy arm chair "sea lawyers" who know everything about everything. If you're not in the club, or go counter to the club's unwritten rules of buying and selling very expensive (pocket change to them) graded cards they just ignore you.

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As a working class collector that sacrifices a lot to stay in the game (by choice), that has not been my experience. Some of the nicest most helpful members have been from the high net worth group you deride.

Are there jerks here, indeed, but far fewer than in the general population.

Gorditadogg · #10 02-05-2025, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jingram058

It's also a country club comprised of very wealthy arm chair "sea lawyers" who know everything about everything. If you're not in the club, or go counter to the club's unwritten rules of buying and selling very expensive (pocket change to them) graded cards they just ignore you.

No one can ignore you, James.

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