David Hall talks about The Wagner

Exhibitman · #1 02-13-2025, 02:19 AM

So Hall is either unable to see a trimmed card or is lying? Because the card was cut down by Mastro, that is a proven fact.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #2 02-13-2025, 03:56 AM

"So we graded it, and then the book comes out"

It's made to sound like these things happened in short succession as opposed to nearly 20 years apart.

brunswickreeves · #3 02-13-2025, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

So Hall is either unable to see a trimmed card or is lying? Because the card was cut down by Mastro, that is a proven fact.

In this video Hall speculates the FBI was obsessed with the card and this case, and he believes Mastro might have lied about cutting down the card in order to reduce his prison sentence.

calvindog · #4 02-13-2025, 08:03 AM

I guess Bill lied about trimming the card when he was secretly recorded in undercover videos admitting he trimmed it. Or when he recently publicly admitted he still owns the paper slicer he used to trim the Wagner.

Does David Hall have dementia or is he just another lying hobby scumbag?

rats60 · #5 02-13-2025, 09:00 AM

Wasn't Bill Hughes in the room? Hasn't he said that he knew the card had been cut from a sheet?

https://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_62.html

Leon · #6 02-13-2025, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Wasn't Bill Hughes in the room? Hasn't he said that he knew the card had been cut from a sheet?

https://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_62.html

No, and I would believe about 80% of what O'keefe ever said. He lied about something I had said before, so he could easily lie again. He totally changed a sentence told to him and made it look like something else was said, which to me, is a lie.
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BillyCoxDodgers3B · #7 02-13-2025, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

No, and I would believe about 80% of what O'keefe ever said. He lied about something I had said before, so he could easily lie again.
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I hear you. How I'd love to weigh in with my opinion, but the forum rules...

Peter_Spaeth · #8 02-13-2025, 09:38 AM

It's sheet cut anyway, whether or not it was then trimmed again. Who cares.

I personally think David Hall is in deep denial.

doug.goodman · #9 02-14-2025, 10:24 PM

Every thread needs a card, and this is what would have happened if Dmitri Young had submitted it...

rats60 · #10 02-13-2025, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

No, and I would believe about 80% of what O'keefe ever said. He lied about something I had said before, so he could easily lie again. He totally changed a sentence told to him and made it look like something else was said, which to me, is a lie.
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This was put in print by Harper Collins, one of the biggest publishing houses in the world. Their legal department would have wanted interviews recorded to protect themselves from lawsuits. If this was false, Bill Hughes would be able to sue the authors and the publisher.

Balticfox · #11 02-14-2025, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Wasn't Bill Hughes in the room? Hasn't he said that he knew the card had been cut from a sheet?

https://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_62.html

Yes he has:

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In 2005, PSA Grader Bill Hughes, a grader of the T206 Honus Wager card, admitted in an interview with New York Daily News reporter Michael O'Keeffe that he knew the card had been trimmed when he graded the card.

I'm not buying David Hall's story.

Leon · #12 02-16-2025, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Wasn't Bill Hughes in the room? Hasn't he said that he knew the card had been cut from a sheet?

https://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_62.html

Ok. I stand corrected on that. I was told something else but will just leave it as my apparent misunderstanding.
I can't imagine they would put a quote in print, like that, if they didn't have firsthand knowlege of the conversation...or an irrefutable source.
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Carter08 · #13 02-13-2025, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I guess Bill lied about trimming the card when he was secretly recorded in undercover videos admitting he trimmed it. Or when he recently publicly admitted he still owns the paper slicer he used to trim the Wagner.

Does David Hall have dementia or is he just another lying hobby scumbag?

Mic drop�

Exhibitman · #14 02-14-2025, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I guess Bill lied about trimming the card when he was secretly recorded in undercover videos admitting he trimmed it. Or when he recently publicly admitted he still owns the paper slicer he used to trim the Wagner.

Does David Hall have dementia or is he just another lying hobby scumbag?

Can't speculate as to the former, but res ip on the latter.

C'mon, Leon, regardless of your views on O'Keeffe, give your devil his due: he was right that The Card has been doctored. Please don't fall in with the fantasists who still defend 'The Card' even after the guy who cut it up admitted that he cut it up. Don't sit with Linus waiting for The Great Pumpkin. You'll miss tricks or treats.

Leon · #15 02-14-2025, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Can't speculate as to the former, but res ip on the latter.

C'mon, Leon, regardless of your views on O'Keeffe, give your devil his due: he was right that The Card has been doctored. Please don't fall in with the fantasists who still defend 'The Card' even after the guy who cut it up admitted that he cut it up. Don't sit with Linus waiting for The Great Pumpkin. You'll miss tricks or treats.

Where did I say it's unaltered? It is altered. I just said I don't think the grader knew it at the time.
I said Okeefe isn't a good reporter, imo. And that is due to how he reported something about me.

Peter_Spaeth · #16 02-14-2025, 09:42 AM

Just my opinion, but I would bet both Hall and Hughes at least strongly suspected the sheet cut card had been further trimmed. People who have seen the card say it's fairly obvious.

bobbvc · #17 02-14-2025, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Just my opinion, but I would bet both Hall and Hughes at least strongly suspected the sheet cut card had been further trimmed. People who have seen the card say it's fairly obvious.

I saw the card in Anaheim around 2005 or so, whenever the last National was there. My first thoughts were, 1. This card is obviously trimmed. 2. It is WAY more obvious in person than in any photo or scan I had seen.

Leon · #18 02-14-2025, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Just my opinion, but I would bet both Hall and Hughes at least strongly suspected the sheet cut card had been further trimmed. People who have seen the card say it's fairly obvious.

I haven't seen the card in person. You might be right.
The only thing I am real sure of is that my 5 dogs and 2 fosters need to be fed and taken care of today. That I am sure of. The rest is always a little bit fuzzy. Is that called plausible deniability?
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topcat61 · #19 03-07-2025, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Just my opinion, but I would bet both Hall and Hughes at least strongly suspected the sheet cut card had been further trimmed. People who have seen the card say it's fairly obvious.

You suddenly reminded me of Alan "Mr. Mint" Rosen buying Charlie Sheen's stolen T206 Wagner for $13k, and then telling the FBI that he didn't know it was hot! That's what this feels like here, and appears that David Hall, or even PSA is trying to reinvent themselves - or at the very least, trying to fool a new generation of collectors that - "There's nothing to see here folks, move along" Frank Drebin style!

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