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Old 02-13-2025, 09:24 AM
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I used to purchase b&w photographs by George Brace when his daughter was hawking them from a website. She eventually sold the inventory to Getty images.
I thought they were stolen by John Rogers. I haven't followed anything since that time. If she managed to get everything back and sell to Getty, then wonderful! Mary Brace was always an absolute joy to deal with.

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Old 02-17-2025, 07:42 PM
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I thought they were stolen by John Rogers. I haven't followed anything since that time. If she managed to get everything back and sell to Getty, then wonderful! Mary Brace was always an absolute joy to deal with.
Whoa, John Rogers..... I tried dealing with him, but the guy never returned mail messages. It was my understanding from Mary that she sold to Getty. Getty owns about every photograph known to man. I just checked the Brace site (surprised to see the site still up) and Rogers is listed at the bottom of the page, so you look to be correct.

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Whoa, John Rogers..... I tried dealing with him, but the guy never returned mail messages. It was my understanding from Mary that she sold to Getty. Getty owns about every photograph known to man. I just checked the Brace site (surprised to see the site still up) and Rogers is listed at the bottom of the page, so you look to be correct.

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Getty is really sketchy in terms of ownership. You can list your own original photos on their site and charge for their use. The problem is many of the "Original" photos are copies of copies of copies. Being sold by Ronny in his garage.
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Old 02-20-2025, 10:24 AM
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Us collectors like consistency.....and it's a PAIN i know..... card collectors want ALL their cards in PSA, or SGC slabs, etc.....

Same with Autos......

I just picked up HOF auto #295, Ross Youngs.....I really had no choice but to rely on a baseball to get him.....you'll learn this as you go......

8x10's, Cuts, and 3x5's are like the worst to get.....you'll ultimately want to upgrade to be honest......

I tend to prefer flat items AND the following:

1. Certified on card autos (like Topps/UD/Panini)..... no fakes....resellable.... this takes care of at least 100-140 names......

2. Once you start getting into the harder names, I stick to things like Government Postcards, Letters, Contracts, checks..........
I'm the odd one in PREFERRING extra writing and dates, etc....reduces the likelyhood of a fake.......

3. You'll realize that only certain names are on only certain mediums (for the most part). It would suck to get a Ross Youngs Flat, for instance ($$$$$$) compared to a Giants ball, same as a baseball only collector getting a single signed rare guy that is a $10 perez steele auto.....


Point being.....1 medium is everyone's hopes, but limits who you can get....and best of luck collecting!!!!!! -Bill



PS: many HATE the cut signatures on sports cards.....they ruin nice original items....use bad autos sometimes, and cut out parts of the sig. As a card collector too, I don't mind, HOWEVER, some players will be 2-3x the price.......... IE: a cut signature from a check of Cobb will go 3x what a full Cobb check completely filled out in his hand will go for........that to me is a head scratcher...... to me...you have to be a 'card' collectors to only get it.
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Old 02-20-2025, 08:56 PM
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Excellent Q:

Us collectors like consistency.....and it's a PAIN i know..... card collectors want ALL their cards in PSA, or SGC slabs, etc.....

Same with Autos......

I just picked up HOF auto #295, Ross Youngs.....I really had no choice but to rely on a baseball to get him.....you'll learn this as you go......

8x10's, Cuts, and 3x5's are like the worst to get.....you'll ultimately want to upgrade to be honest......

I tend to prefer flat items AND the following:

1. Certified on card autos (like Topps/UD/Panini)..... no fakes....resellable.... this takes care of at least 100-140 names......

2. Once you start getting into the harder names, I stick to things like Government Postcards, Letters, Contracts, checks..........
I'm the odd one in PREFERRING extra writing and dates, etc....reduces the likelyhood of a fake.......

3. You'll realize that only certain names are on only certain mediums (for the most part). It would suck to get a Ross Youngs Flat, for instance ($$$$$$) compared to a Giants ball, same as a baseball only collector getting a single signed rare guy that is a $10 perez steele auto.....


Point being.....1 medium is everyone's hopes, but limits who you can get....and best of luck collecting!!!!!! -Bill



PS: many HATE the cut signatures on sports cards.....they ruin nice original items....use bad autos sometimes, and cut out parts of the sig. As a card collector too, I don't mind, HOWEVER, some players will be 2-3x the price.......... IE: a cut signature from a check of Cobb will go 3x what a full Cobb check completely filled out in his hand will go for........that to me is a head scratcher...... to me...you have to be a 'card' collectors to only get it.
Thanks bill for this in depth write up. This is very valuable advice and I appreciate you very much for taking the time to help me out.

I’ve been reading a lot in a thread on here that’s talking about a new hobby movie/documentary I believe recently released on Netflix that talks about all of the forgeries in our hobby. For those here that have knowledge and experience with PSA slabbed signed Perez steeles, is there are concerns or much that I should worry about or be concerned about with collecting Perez steeled slabbed by PSA. Are they a high forgery target item? Are there a lot of fake Perez steered out there? Anything I need to look for or will I generally be safe collecting PSA slabbed signed Perez steeles ( I don’t want to get burned with forgeries if you guys think PSA Perez steeles are a problem please give me the straight scoop on these! Save me a big headache down the road please! Thanks so much

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Old 02-21-2025, 08:25 AM
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Thanks bill for this in depth write up. This is very valuable advice and I appreciate you very much for taking the time to help me out.

I’ve been reading a lot in a thread on here that’s talking about a new hobby movie/documentary I believe recently released on Netflix that talks about all of the forgeries in our hobby. For those here that have knowledge and experience with PSA slabbed signed Perez steeles, is there are concerns or much that I should worry about or be concerned about with collecting Perez steeled slabbed by PSA. Are they a high forgery target item? Are there a lot of fake Perez steered out there? Anything I need to look for or will I generally be safe collecting PSA slabbed signed Perez steeles ( I don’t want to get burned with forgeries if you guys think PSA Perez steeles are a problem please give me the straight scoop on these! Save me a big headache down the road please! Thanks so much
Perez Steeles are generally very safe. PSA slabbed or JSA Certed ones have been on the money 99% of the time. Most of the PS Sets are limited run (EG 10k runs or fewer sets). Typically, the autos are from a small era for each signer, so they are relatively similar and its usually pretty easy to spot oddball bad ones. Not that fakes aren't out there, but they are fewer and further between.

I have a huge run of signed PS myself, including a lot of the tougher names. There are a few to be very leery of that are monsters in that set, including Paige. Many guys who are relatively common autos are many multiples on a standard auto in Perez Steele format (Puckett, Ashburn, Paige ($5000+) as some examples).
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Old 02-21-2025, 09:53 AM
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Perez Steeles are generally very safe. PSA slabbed or JSA Certed ones have been on the money 99% of the time. Most of the PS Sets are limited run (EG 10k runs or fewer sets). Typically, the autos are from a small era for each signer, so they are relatively similar and its usually pretty easy to spot oddball bad ones. Not that fakes aren't out there, but they are fewer and further between.

I have a huge run of signed PS myself, including a lot of the tougher names. There are a few to be very leery of that are monsters in that set, including Paige. Many guys who are relatively common autos are many multiples on a standard auto in Perez Steele format (Puckett, Ashburn, Paige ($5000+) as some examples).
Hey Kevin! Thanks so much for your response. I appreciate it very much.

That’s good to hear my friend. My gut feeling was/is that forgers are probably not targeting signed Perez steeles of guys like Bob Feller, Bobby Doerr, Ferguson Jenkins, Phil Niekro or Brooks Robinson. But just wanted to ask to make sure 110% that I can collect these and not be held holding the hot potato years for now! Especially with guys like Mantle, Williams, DiMaggio, Mays, Aaron, Koufax and Campanella.
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