Let’s rehash the Bond Bread controversy.

[JUrsaner]

I was half joking, but I do find it difficult to keep up with these threads when the information seems to jump around all over the place — similar to the guidepost Bond thread by TedZ.

The main points I've gathered from both of the threads...

A — What most collectors would like referred to as 1947 Bond Bread are either:

"1947" Bond Bread Jackie Robinson set... which have different images with square corners and include the iconic portrait/facsimile auto card, but ...
— these were not packaged in the bread and were rather a set of ad/promo cards for the bread cards... and...
— based on some of the images... these did not all come out in 1947...

1947 "Homogenized" Bond Bread cards... the real deal, not the "imposters" as TedZ had put it... with their irregular beveled corners, straight from the bread packages... but ...
— what was the distribution on these cards? Was it a "regional" issue or were these all along the East Coast where it should be considered a "true" RC?

B — What most people are unsure about being referred to as 1947 Bond Bread but are actually:

1947 Sports/Screen Star Subjects... that were similar cards packaged in 4x subset boxes with W.S.N.Y printed [AJ Wildman & Son] on the back of the box... but...
— may or may not have been issued w/ beveled corners, depending on the timeline of the same printer using overflow cards, similar process, etc.

And any other weird/rare/oddball scalloped-edge Elgee and/or dual-sided cards from the same era... that always pop up in these threads, but for the most part are irrelevant to the conversation...

C — What most people do not want referred to as 1947 Bond Bread cards:

Later issued, square-shaped and sometimes larger format Exhibit cards...

D — And of course what collectors are terrified of referring to as 1947 Bond Bread cards:

The "1980s" Festburg "Find"...
— which are not "fake" cards and were most likely to printed around the same time, but a few years later in the late 1940s/1950s (?) as the next run (?) of cards with the same images from the print manufacturer...
— but to be produced for the box sets, not the bread... and on a lower quality paper stock, which then over time became surplus in a warehouse...
— And is likely why PSA no longer grades the card... similar to Star basketball... until it does again

[Estwd]

Don't forget the Bond Bread Perforated - unlike the Exhibits, PSA still grades these...if you can find them. I have the Ted Williams Exhibits and rounded corners, but need to find the perforated.

Originally Posted by JUrsaner

I was half joking, but I do find it difficult to keep up with these threads when the information seems to jump around all over the place — similar to the guidepost Bond thread by TedZ.

The main points I've gathered from both of the threads...

A — What most collectors would like referred to as 1947 Bond Bread are either:

"1947" Bond Bread Jackie Robinson set... which have different images with square corners and include the iconic portrait/facsimile auto card, but ...
— these were not packaged in the bread and were rather a set of ad/promo cards for the bread cards... and...
— based on some of the images... these did not all come out in 1947...

1947 "Homogenized" Bond Bread cards... the real deal, not the "imposters" as TedZ had put it... with their irregular beveled corners, straight from the bread packages... but ...
— what was the distribution on these cards? Was it a "regional" issue or were these all along the East Coast where it should be considered a "true" RC?

B — What most people are unsure about being referred to as 1947 Bond Bread but are actually:

1947 Sports/Screen Star Subjects... that were similar cards packaged in 4x subset boxes with W.S.N.Y printed [AJ Wildman & Son] on the back of the box... but...
— may or may not have been issued w/ beveled corners, depending on the timeline of the same printer using overflow cards, similar process, etc.

And any other weird/rare/oddball scalloped-edge and/or dual-sided cards from the same era... that always pop up in these threads, but for the most part are irrelevant to the conversation...

C — What most people do not want referred to as 1947 Bond Bread cards:

Later issued, square-shaped and sometimes larger format Exhibit cards...

D — And of course what collectors are terrified of referring to as 1947 Bond Bread cards:

The "1980s" Festburg "Find"...
— which are not "fake" cards and were most likely to printed around the same time, but a few years later in the late 1940s/1950s (?) as the next run (?) of cards with the same images from the print manufacturer...
— but to be produced for the box sets, not the bread... and on a lower quality paper stock, which then over time became surplus in a warehouse...

[Johnphotoman]

I agree that the Perforated cards are hard to find, when you do find them they come at a premium cost. Although the perforated cards share images with the Bond Breads cards as well as others of that era; the perforated cards have nothing to do with Bond Bread.

The cards were actually issued in sheets by a company called “Elgee” for use by various businesses. The set was advertised as 46 cards to a set. It is not clear how many different subjects were included or sets there were. The set consisted of “Sports-Hollywood-Cowboys”.

Some cards have been found imprinted with store advertising, which appears to be rubber stamped. Issues date circa 1940s. Precise dating for this issue is unknown. But many of the images are from late 1930s-1946. These cards are frequently misidentified as Bond Bread cards, even by third party grading companies and auction houses. John

[Johnphotoman]

Maybe it was not a famous collector at all, but just a collector who heard about the warehouse cards that Arrco had and purchased them. Sounds like hype from Mr. Apfelbaum…to sell his cards…saying it was a famous collector. Mr. Apfelbaum was a master at twisting the truth or embellishing the truth to make what he was selling more appealing. But the story still goes that a collector did buy the warehouse cards from Arrco and when he died his widow sold off his collection of cards, circa 1980s. Interesting this story was around long (circa 1970s) before the story of David Festberg warehouse find and the BCS cards were for sale

David Festberg and BCS were selling W571 Bond Bread square cut cards circa 1988-1990s. The question of where did they get their cards, has us questioning the stories around the Festberg and BCS cards, asking are they the real deal or some trick or scheme to sell cards. The truth is that Festberg and BCS could have been scheming to sell cards, but those cards are the real deal.

We have information that those cards were around and kept by a collector long before the cards were for sale in 1988. -1990s. This collector somehow obtained from a waterhouse boxes of the W571 cards, circa 1960s-1970s And when he died circa 1980s, his widow started selling off his collection. It is now believed that Festberg and BCS did get their W571 cards they had for sale from the widow who put up her husband's W571 cards he acquired from a warehouse. Meaning there was no warehouse find by David Festberg and the story of where BCS did get their cards is mostly true!

All these years and not one magazine article from David Festberg himself, on how Festberg found the cards in a warehouse in 1988. No sports article with Festberg about a Bond Bread warehouse find. There are numerous articles, stories and rumors about Festberg and a warehouse find, but I have found none where he himself tells the story. All the stories I have found are hearsay, meaning someone told someone and that someone wrote about what they heard. BCS tell us where they did get their cards, but has embellished the story on how, saying they purchased the best of 24 cards from a 48 card set. John