My Latest submit to SGC - Results - Tell me what u think

Tomi · #1 03-20-2025, 04:36 PM

Looks like a red mark on the back by the S.O. category that will lower a grade in a big way. Usually it lowers the grade by 2 full grades. Easily a mid grade card but the mark hurts it.

ClementeFanOh · #2 03-20-2025, 04:43 PM

Lonnie-

For better or worse, stray foreign marks result in a big ding as mentioned
above. I've also found that great looking cards are getting hit for faint
creasing. My more recent experience with SGC is that they crawled out of
the grading pit they dug for themselves during Covid, and have been good
(on my submission, that is). If you are done with SGC, I can't imagine how
you feel about PSA...

Trent King

doug.goodman · #3 03-20-2025, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

If you are done with SGC, I can't imagine how you feel about PSA...

Hahahahaah

toledo_mudhen · #4 03-20-2025, 05:17 PM

If you are done with SGC, I can't imagine how
you feel about PSA...

Yes - there is that...................

Might be relegated to only adding "already slabbed"?????

sb1 · #5 03-20-2025, 05:26 PM

Skinner was the only one close to a 6, the others appear as 3-4 prior to grading.

Gorditadogg · #6 03-20-2025, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sb1

Skinner was the only one close to a 6, the others appear as 3-4 prior to grading.

They look good to me. What am I missing?

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sb1 · #7 03-20-2025, 06:44 PM

Little things that matter, the ink mark and very light corner wear. They are nice cards but not quite up to the scrutiny of the TPG's. I start with a stack and review it several times before submitting, under various lighting, etc. before paring it down to only the strongest candidates and even then I miss some, everyone does. I got a blazing 1952 Topps Look n' See Roosevelt back with a 2, upon further review it had a surface wrinkle right across the middle of it.

perezfan · #8 03-20-2025, 08:25 PM

The most aggravating part is that if you look at cards they themselves graded 5-10 years ago, you'll see their criteria was vastly different. Yesterday's "5" is quite often inferior to today's "3". I've seen it hundreds of times with both SGC and PSA.

They've both moved the goalposts at least 2 full points over the past decade. And they punish severely for off-centering, but not at all for poor focus/registration. Both traits are original to the card, yet they only penalize for centering.... DUMB! To me, a blurry, dizzying image is far more detrimental to the card than its centering. A crisp image is central to the card's actual subject matter, whereas the centering is not.

Unfortunately there is no viable alternative, unless you take a chance with CGC. Their slabs are nice but the marketplace has not yet embraced them. IMHO, Collectors' monopolistic acquisition of SGC was the worst thing to happen to the hobby since the FBI decided to bow out of the Card Alteration scandal. Tons of altered cards still reside in PSA Numbered slabs. It all makes for a strong temptation to stick with just raw cards.

homerunhitter · #9 04-06-2025, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

Might be relegated to only adding "already slabbed"?????

as the old saying goes�it�s wise to let another fool spend his money on grading fees!�aka�lots of great deals on eBay from people that spent the money to grade cards but now are selling their �misses� for less than the processing fee! Meaning� lots of cheap already graded cards are on eBay!

Jay Wolt · #10 04-06-2025, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by homerunhitter

as the old saying goes�it�s wise to let another fool spend his money on grading fees!�aka�lots of great deals on eBay from people that spent the money to grade cards but now are selling their �misses� for less than the processing fee! Meaning� lots of cheap already graded cards are on eBay!

Amen!
I love picking up clean cards at pennies on the dollar
for TPG's undergraded or slightly altered cards

Got this for less then the grading fee & a HOF'er to boot

Vintagedeputy · #11 03-20-2025, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Looks like a red mark on the back by the S.O. category that will lower a grade in a big way. Usually it lowers the grade by 2 full grades. Easily a mid grade card but the mark hurts it.

Exactly correct. The 3.5 is as high as it is due to the overall nice condition, but the red mark can�t be overlooked.

Leon · #12 03-26-2025, 04:58 PM

Great looking cards, but as mentioned, some minute things caused the downgrades. The registry is powerful but I collect on eye appeal, so grades are a bit less of a concern.
The cards will get you top end values of their respective grades anyway.

benjulmag · #13 03-26-2025, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Great looking cards, but as mentioned, some minute things caused the downgrades. The registry is powerful but I collect on eye appeal, so grades are a bit less of a concern.
The cards will get you top end values of their respective grades anyway.

In my world a grade should be based on some objective standard of eye appeal. The fact it does not IMO makes the current grading criteria worthless to a true collector.

Lorewalker · #14 03-26-2025, 06:26 PM

Great eye appeal on the cards. Not meant to be critical but if you missed the pen on the back of the one card I am guessing there are more subtle "flaws" that were missed prior to grading. The images are far too small to even make a wild guess at what the flaws are on each one but sure it is a minor wrinkle, light corner bend or some surface impressions.

No matter what it always sucks when you get cards back at grades lower than what you had expected or wanted. I think we have all been there.

toledo_mudhen · #15 03-30-2025, 05:43 AM

Yes totally missed the pen mark on the back of the 1 card - not sure how that happened but my bad -

It's been a while since my last grading submission (several years anyway)

So I'm thinking that going forward - I'm just going to let someone else go thru the brain damage of getting the cards graded & slabbed and I'm just gonna be a buyer on already graded cards in the grade that I am looking for.

Beercan collector · #16 03-30-2025, 06:27 AM

Of course we�re just going by photos so can�t be 100% accurate but if it was me I would like to see the Skinner at a 5 and would be happy with the rest of the grades , Kiely Has plenty of corner wear - Wright, Hofman have quite a bit of toning on reverse . Thanks for posting and putting them out here For us to comment

Vintagedeputy · #17 04-03-2025, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by benjulmag

In my world a grade should be based on some objective standard of eye appeal. The fact it does not IMO makes the current grading criteria worthless to a true collector.

Eye appeal is a subjective term since everyone has a different standard. I�d rather see a strict criteria based on condition.

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