"True" T206 rookies backs?

[sreader3]

Originally Posted by Knightlax5

I'm working on a HOF rookie collection. For those HOFer's with their rookies in t206, do you guys consider any one of the backs more of "a true rookie" than other backs? I know some of the backs were released earlier than others. I know its a crazy level of detail but its been something I've been considering as i build my collection. Thanks in advance!

The July, 3 1909 advertisement in Sporting Life establishes that Piedmont 150, Sovereign 150 and Sweet Caporal 150 were the first T206 backs.

https://t206resource.com/Sporting%20Life%20Ads.html

My suspicion is that Sweet Cap 150 Factory 25 was before Factory 30 or Factory 649. (All Piedmont and Sovereign 150s are Factory 25.) This suspicion is based on image clarity and the fact that most Wagners are Sweet Cap 150/25.

Edited to add: So if you are looking for a “true” Marquard rookie go with Hands at Side Piedmont 150, Sovereign 150 or Sweet Cap 150/25.

[Kidnapped18]

Great stuff!! Yes Piedmont Sovereign and Sweet Caporal were all national issues. Hindu was more of a regional issue.

The Hindu ads came shortly after (about a month) the others started and ran during the same timeframe.

Also in the ads some of the names are at the top!

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Kidnapped18

Great stuff!! Yes Piedmont Sovereign and Sweet Caporal were all national issues. Hindu was more of a regional issue.

The Hindu ads came shortly after (about a month) the others started and ran during the same timeframe.

Also in the ads some of the names are at the top!

The Old Mills started around the same time as the Hindu's

July 30 1909 clipping
Old Mill new BrandFri__Jul_30__1909_.jpg

I can't load the page big enough to read but here's the July 30 1909 paper page that the clipping came from

Old Mill T206's The_Evening_Chronicle_1909_07_30_Page_7 - Copy.jpg

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Pat R

The Old Mills started around the same time as the Hindu's

July 30 1909 clipping
Attachment 656205

It appears the exact release date of Old Mill T206 cards is August 1, 1909; at least, this would be the case for Print Group 1 subjects.

I imagine this was previously known; however, it's new info to me. Do we have specific release dates for any other cards?

[Knightlax5]

Originally Posted by Kidnapped18

Here's my list so any of these should work

Eddie Collins – 6
MLB Debut September 17, 1906
EPDG
Hindu Brown
Piedmont 350
Sovereign 350
Sweet Caporal 350/25
Sweet Caporal 350/30


Tris Speaker – 4
MLB Debut September 14, 1907
Piedmont 350
Sovereign 350
Sweet Caporal 350/25
Sweet Caporal 350/30


Home Run Baker – 6
MLB Debut September 21, 1908
EPDG
Hindu Brown
Piedmont 350
Sovereign 350
Sweet Caporal 350/25
Sweet Caporal 350/30


Rube Marquard Hands at Thighs – 6
MLB Debut September 25, 1908
Hindu Brown
Piedmont 150
Sovereign 150
Sweet Caporal 150/25
Sweet Caporal 150/30
Sweet Caporal 150/649OP


Zach Wheat – 11
MLB Debut September 11, 1909
American Beauty 460
Cycle 460
EPDG
Hindu Red
Old Mill
Piedmont 350-460
Polar Bear
Sweet Caporal 350-460/30
Sweet Caporal 350-460/42
Sweet Caporal 350-460/42OP
Tolstoi

Originally Posted by sreader3

The July, 3 1909 advertisement in Sporting Life establishes that Piedmont 150, Sovereign 150 and Sweet Caporal 150 were the first T206 backs.

https://t206resource.com/Sporting%20Life%20Ads.html

My suspicion is that Sweet Cap 150 Factory 25 was before Factory 30 or Factory 649. (All Piedmont and Sovereign 150s are Factory 25.) This suspicion is based on image clarity and the fact that most Wagners are Sweet Cap 150/25.

Edited to add: So if you are looking for a “true” Marquard rookie go with Hands at Side Piedmont 150, Sovereign 150 or Sweet Cap 150/25.

Appreciate the detail! Sounds like I'm likely going to try to get them all in piedmont 150 and whatever isn't in piedmont 150 I'll settle for piedmont 350

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Knightlax5

Appreciate the detail! Sounds like I'm likely going to try to get them all in piedmont 150 and whatever isn't in piedmont 150 I'll settle for piedmont 350

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Just make sure you buy big border cards, imho.
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[Kidnapped18]

Looking at the ads these appear to be the players pictured
Interesting that all the SLers pictured are from the Southern Association

Sporting Life Ad #1
Frank Bowerman Boston Doves
Frank Chance Chicago Cubs
Wild Bill Donovan Detroit Tigers
Red Dooin Philadelphia Phillies
Kid Elberfeld New York Highlanders
Johnny Evers Chicago Cubs
Tommy Leach Pittsburg Pirates
Hans Lobert Cincinnati Reds
Simon Nicholls Philadelphia Athletics
Rube Waddell St. Louis Browns

Sporting Life Ad #2
Ginger Beaumont Boston Doves
Kitty Bransfield Philadelphia Phillies
Jim Delehanty Washington Senators
Willie Keeler New York Highlanders
Charley O’Leary Detroit Tigers
Orval Overall Chicago Cubs
Jim Pastorius Brooklyn Superbas
Harry Steinfeldt Chicago Cubs
Honus Wagner Pittsburg Pirates
Hooks Wiltse New York Giants

Hindu Southern League Ad
Harry Bay Nashville
Bill Bernhard Nashville
Ted Breitenstein x 2 New Orleans
Scoops Carey Memphis
Bill Cranston Memphis
Roy Ellam Nashville
Charlie Fritz New Orleans
Ed Greminger Montgomery
Gordon Hickman x 2 Mobile
Dutch Jordan Atlanta
Carlton Molesworth Birmingham
Arch Persons Montgomery
Ed Reagan New Orleans
Sid Smith Atlanta
Woodie Thornton Mobile