Trimmed = Hand Cut = a numbered opinion

[Snapolit1]

Strikes me as odd that collectors who will scream from the mountain top that they have nothing to do with graded cards . . spend so much time talking about . . . graded cards.

People who say they have nothing to do with eBay . . .post a few times a week . . . about eBay.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Strikes me as odd that collectors who will scream from the mountain top that they have nothing to do with graded cards . . spend so much time talking about . . . graded cards.

People who say they have nothing to do with eBay . . .post a few times a week . . . about eBay.

Not that odd, as there are very limited options in this hobby. I don't give a sh!t about whether a card I want is graded, but often the graded example is all you can find.

One has the right to point out flaws, whether or not they begrudgingly use that particular resource.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Strikes me as odd that collectors who will scream from the mountain top that they have nothing to do with graded cards . . spend so much time talking about . . . graded cards.

People who say they have nothing to do with eBay . . .post a few times a week . . . about eBay.

I qualify as a mountain top dweller, and avoid opinion sellers as much as possible, but when you dive as deeply into an item as I have with the m113 and m114 posters you are sometimes stuck with opinion seller interactions. I look at every baseball magazine poster that I see posted anywhere, and am constantly on the lookout for ones I have not seen.

When an m114 has an opinion attached it's instantly a red flag due to their usual sizes. This Williams has no official releases, that I am aware of, that fit in an opinion holder, so it must be Trimmed = Hand Cut to get it's numbered opinion.

For those on the board who collect opinions it strikes me as odd that "hand cut" can evidently get a number, while my understanding of the process of opinions is that "trimmed" can not.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think generally the concept is that if a card was meant to be hand cut, such as a Bazooka card on a box, it can get a grade, but if a card is hand cut after being factory cut, or from an uncut sheet, it can't.

[Beercan collector]

Break it out and hand cut it down to a higher grade 🙂

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think generally the concept is that if a card was meant to be hand cut, such as a Bazooka card on a box, it can get a grade, but if a card is hand cut after being factory cut, or from an uncut sheet, it can't.

That's kind of what I thought, which is obviously a bit of a slippery slope, but anything that the opinion sellers can make a buck on is probably less slippery and closer to level. Evidently baseball magazine posters qualify, which I wouldn't have guessed, except that I actually would have guessed because making them smaller than issued coincidentally makes them fit in a slab so... slope less slippery.

[Section103]

Doug, are you of the mindset that graders cant make slabs any size they want? I'd bet they can, especially if the money is right.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Section103

Doug, are you of the mindset that graders cant make slabs any size they want? I'd bet they can, especially if the money is right.

No I am not of that mindset.

I am fully aware that they could sell an opinion on, and slab, anything that they cared to.

But currently, the only way that approximately 97% of known by me m113 and m114 posters can be slabbed, is if they are hand cut / trimmed.

At the moment, all m114 posters I see that have been "opinionated" and listed on ebay are less than their original dimensions.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

That's kind of what I thought, which is obviously a bit of a slippery slope, but anything that the opinion sellers can make a buck on is probably less slippery and closer to level. Evidently baseball magazine posters qualify, which I wouldn't have guessed, except that I actually would have guessed because making them smaller than issued coincidentally makes them fit in a slab so... slope less slippery.

The answer is always "money". If something is trimmed it should be labeled as such. Unfortunately, we are smarter than the graders many times. There are So many factory issued cards they call hand cut, it's just silly.
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