Topic: Spirits who changed the soul of the game and their definitive cards

[ASF123]

Originally Posted by dbussell12

wow this is a great pick and deeply true. maybe actually the originator of today's game as we know it.

He certainly played a huge role in bringing increased rationality to analysis and decision-making in baseball. But he was a part of a long history of (almost universally marginalized) efforts to do so. “The Numbers Game” by Alan Schwarz is a great chronicle of some of Beane’s (and Bill James’) intellectual predecessors. Highly recommended if you haven’t read it.

[dbussell12]

Originally Posted by ASF123

He certainly played a huge role in bringing increased rationality to analysis and decision-making in baseball. But he was a part of a long history of (almost universally marginalized) efforts to do so. “The Numbers Game” by Alan Schwarz is a great chronicle of some of Beane’s (and Bill James’) intellectual predecessors. Highly recommended if you haven’t read it.

will check it out! i enjoy the metric stuff quite a bit. its a great way to create context for what otherwise exists in large part by eye tests to understand the science behind the game. michael hoban's CAWS in relation to bill james' win share has been wonderful to explore lately. cheers!

[ASF123]

This thread would be blatantly incomplete without mentioning Clemente, for all the obvious reasons. Pick from any of dozens of options for his iconic card.

Also, hat tip to Luis Castro, Armando Marsans, Rafael Almeida, Adolfo Luque, Minnie Miñoso and many others.

Later, Hideo Nomo, Ichiro, etc.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by ASF123

This thread would be blatantly incomplete without mentioning Clemente, for all the obvious reasons. Pick from any of dozens of options for his iconic card.

Also, hat tip to Luis Castro, Armando Marsans, Rafael Almeida, Adolfo Luque, Minnie Miñoso and many others.

Later, Hideo Nomo, Ichiro, etc.

I think you'd have to include Hank Aaron.

Also, Shohei Ohtani's story isn't finished yet, but he's probably done more to popularize MLB in East Asia than anyone else.

[ASF123]

Originally Posted by bk400

I think you'd have to include Hank Aaron.

Also, Shohei Ohtani's story isn't finished yet, but he's probably done more to popularize MLB in East Asia than anyone else.

Totally agree with both. In fact, Ohtani is the only ultra-modern player whose rookie card I bought just for historical posterity.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by ASF123

Totally agree with both. In fact, Ohtani is the only ultra-modern player whose rookie card I bought just for historical posterity.

I agree with this as well, even if he is a Yankee, er, Dodger (since the Dodgers became the Yankees, it's easy to become confused).

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I agree with this as well, even if he is a Yankee, er, Dodger (since the Dodgers became the Yankees, it's easy to become confused).

Label me confused as to the Dodgers becoming the Yankees?