Pete Rose documentary on HBO/Max 😬

molenick · #1 05-29-2025, 04:29 PM

I take it back....only AI could have responded so quickly and with complete sentences

dbussell12 · #2 05-29-2025, 04:30 PM

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I take it back....only AI could have responded so quickly and with complete sentences

jingram058 · #3 05-29-2025, 04:51 PM

I think he should be in, myself. I couldn't give a crap about his gambling, especially now that everyone is doing it. But then, I don't give a crap about steroids, either, for that matter. In the end, he's dead. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. He played with reckless abandon, he signed my friend's ball when George Brett wouldn't, he signed my 1964 Topps card, and he's the all-time hits leader. Nothing else matters. As McGreevy would put it, nuf ced.

Greg Sonk · #4 05-29-2025, 11:01 PM

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I think he should be in, myself. I couldn't give a crap about his gambling, especially now that everyone is doing it. But then, I don't give a crap about steroids, either, for that matter. In the end, he's dead. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. He played with reckless abandon, he signed my friend's ball when George Brett wouldn't, he signed my 1964 Topps card, and he's the all-time hits leader. Nothing else matters. As McGreevy would put it, nuf ced.

The voting instructions include integrity and character. As written, he�s an indefensible candidate.

This can always be changed and then your position would make sense even if I disagree. In practice, it never will because the Hall is selling saccharine nostalgia. But he�ll get in anyway from some arbitrary committee with his friends on it.

Belfast1933 · #5 05-30-2025, 04:48 AM

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I think he should be in, myself. I couldn't give a crap about his gambling, especially now that everyone is doing it. But then, I don't give a crap about steroids, either, for that matter. In the end, he's dead. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. He played with reckless abandon, he signed my friend's ball when George Brett wouldn't, he signed my 1964 Topps card, and he's the all-time hits leader. Nothing else matters. As McGreevy would put it, nuf ced.

Have you had a chance to watch the Rose documentary? I wonder if you�ll feel differently when you do.

OhioLawyerF5 · #6 05-30-2025, 05:31 AM

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Have you had a chance to watch the Rose documentary? I wonder if you�ll feel differently when you do.

You seem awfully attached to some filmmaker's version of the Pete Rose story. Just remember, no matter who is telling the story, it's never the whole story.

Not that Rose was a saint (he certainly did some indefensible things, even from his admission), but don't be swayed by one person's version of things.

jayshum · #7 05-30-2025, 06:38 AM

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You seem awfully attached to some filmmaker's version of the Pete Rose story. Just remember, no matter who is telling the story, it's never the whole story.

Not that Rose was a saint (he certainly did some indefensible things, even from his admission), but don't be swayed by one person's version of things.

If I remember it correctly (it's been about a year since I watched it, I think), Rose is shown talking about himself a lot in the documentary so he's giving his side of the story himself. I don't think it made him look too good.

Belfast1933 · #8 05-30-2025, 10:55 AM

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If I remember it correctly (it's been about a year since I watched it, I think), Rose is shown talking about himself a lot in the documentary so he's giving his side of the story himself. I don't think it made him look too good.

Exactly right... lots of this comes directly from Rose himself.

Belfast1933 · #9 05-30-2025, 10:59 AM

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You seem awfully attached to some filmmaker's version of the Pete Rose story. Just remember, no matter who is telling the story, it's never the whole story.

Not that Rose was a saint (he certainly did some indefensible things, even from his admission), but don't be swayed by one person's version of things.

So, you watched it? Didn't find it to be credible?

Much of the documentary was Pete talking and he does himself no favors. His interaction with Marty Brenneman's (sp?) wife was just so on brand for him, unfortunately.

akleinb611 · #10 05-30-2025, 12:56 PM

Regarding Rose's character, I recall Bill James had something to say. I'm paraphrasing, but James' point was this:

Should Pete Rose be kept out of the Hall because he was a bad guy? No, and there are lots of bad guys in the Hall.

Should Pete Rose be kept out of the Hall because he was a gambler? No, because that's a general assessment of one's habits.

Should be Rose be kept out of the Hall because he specifically broke the rule about not gambling on games? THIS!

It's important to ask the right question. Rose broke a cardinal rule of the game. The fact that MLB has (unwisely in my opinion) aligned itself with internet gambling sites has nothing to do with it. Rose broke a key rule, THE key rule of baseball when it was fully in effect, and there's no getting around it.

A player's personality comes into play if he's right on the line between being in or out, and sympathy would naturally attach to a pleasant person. Rose is not in that position. Without the gambling scandal, he's certainly in, and he would be voted in even if he kicked puppies in his spare time as a form of amusement.

And the MLB's poor choice to encourage gambling has nothing to do with a player's obligation to play the game honestly. A player is still obligated not to gamble and can (and should!) get into serious trouble if there's any evidence that he has gambled. If you allow players (and managers) to gamble, it calls the reality of the game into serious question. And we're no better than the quiz shows of the 1950's.

OhioLawyerF5 · #11 05-30-2025, 01:40 PM

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So, you watched it? Didn't find it to be credible?

Much of the documentary was Pete talking and he does himself no favors. His interaction with Marty Brenneman's (sp?) wife was just so on brand for him, unfortunately.

I had seen Pete say all those things before. I'm well aware of his character. The documentary didn't change my opinion one iota.

Zach Wheat · #12 05-30-2025, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You seem awfully attached to some filmmaker's version of the Pete Rose story. Just remember, no matter who is telling the story, it's never the whole story.

Not that Rose was a saint (he certainly did some indefensible things, even from his admission), but don't be swayed by one person's version of things.

Thanks for the tip on this docudrama. Just started to watch it but I tend to agree with Tim.

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