Ohtani CARDS are Mostly UNDERVALUED

[Peter_Spaeth]

So he not only makes a billion dollars, he gets to dictate to the ownership and management? It might piss him off to take him out in the fourth inning too, or to limit his starts. Gee that might not go over well nobody's going to want to go there any more.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So he not only makes a billion dollars, he gets to dictate to the ownership and management? It might piss him off to take him out in the fourth inning too, or to limit his starts. Gee that might not go over well nobody's going to want to go there any more.

If it was part of what the Dodgers agreed to for him to sign with them, then they should honor it unless they can get him to agree not to. Even if it's not written in the contract, if there was a verbal agreement, it should be honored.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

If it was part of what the Dodgers agreed to for him to sign with them, then they should honor it unless they can get him to agree not to. Even if it's not written in the contract, if there was a verbal agreement, it should be honored.

Even if it's to the detriment of the team and organization?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Even if it's to the detriment of the team and organization?

You don't think going back on a verbal agreement would be to the detriment of the team and organization?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

You don't think going back on a verbal agreement would be to the detriment of the team and organization?

Not nearly as much as risking your franchise player who has already undergone two Tommy John surgeries, no. He wasn't even that great a pitcher when he got hurt, he had been much better the prior year. I forget where Fangraphs had him but it wasn't all that high.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not nearly as much as risking your franchise player who has already undergone two Tommy John surgeries, no. He wasn't even that great a pitcher when he got hurt, he had been much better the prior year. I forget where Fangraphs had him but it wasn't all that high.

He was 10-5 with a 3.14 ERA in 23 starts in 2023 for a WAR of 3.9 so not too shabby. I actually agree that they shouldn't risk having him pitch, but it's not like they didn't know he had already undergone 2 TJ surgeries when they signed him. However, if the part of the deal to get him to sign was that he wanted to pitch, unless they can convince him otherwise, they have to let him. Teams don't want other players to think that they're not sure if the Dodgers are as good as their word when considering signing with them.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Even if it's to the detriment of the team and organization?

I keep my word to the detriment of my company on a somewhat regular basis.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So he not only makes a billion dollars, he gets to dictate to the ownership and management? It might piss him off to take him out in the fourth inning too, or to limit his starts. Gee that might not go over well nobody's going to want to go there any more.

If they agreed to it when they signed him they should live up to it. You're setting up strawmen.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

If they agreed to it when they signed him they should live up to it. You're setting up strawmen.

It's not really a straw man. What does it mean to "let him pitch"? Do you think the parties defined it? What if the team's idea of when and how to use him is completely different from Ohtani's? What if the team envisions using him in low-pressure mop up stints?

[bk400]

The Dodgers are already playing with house money when it comes to Ohtani. He's already a bargain at present value $461mm.

Why not let him pitch if that's what he and the global Dodgers / baseball fan base wants? If he blows out his elbow and is out for a year, the Dodgers can say they at least tried. If they don't let him pitch and force him into a DH role, it's very franchise value destroying on so many levels.