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Old 06-03-2025, 03:41 PM
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If you are just going to cross the cards why are you wasting a step—just submit to who you want the ultimate grade from.
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Old 06-03-2025, 05:04 PM
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I have not, but found the following.

According to a 2025 filing with the Oregon Secretary of State, Brent Huigens is a Manager of MBA.

https://records.sos.state.or.us/ORSO...dhtml/10870947

Further, the address of MBA is listed as 7632 SW Durham Road in Tigard, OR. PWCC's address was 7560 SW Durham Road. From a map, they look to be adjacent.

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The material I have seen sell looks accurately graded. The thing that did not sit well with me was that there seems to be only two outlets for the material and there is a consistency to the type of cards being graded. Almost feels like a pilot program from the inside. The prices seem pretty solid too for the couple of dozen prices that I checked. The not so feel good is now learning that PWCC is associated with it.
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I have a slab from MBA. The grading seems fair, given the edge wear. I've seen PSA 3s that look similar, but I've also seen PSA 5s that look worse.
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I have a slab from MBA. The grading seems fair, given the edge wear. I've seen PSA 3s that look similar, but I've also seen PSA 5s that look worse.
That’s accurate grading - You cannot even guess what SGC or PSA will grade anything nowadays
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I have a slab from MBA. The grading seems fair, given the edge wear. I've seen PSA 3s that look similar, but I've also seen PSA 5s that look worse.
That's an accurate grade. PSA will call that a 2 most of the time today though. They've completely forgotten how to grade vintage cards. SGC will usually call that a 3 now, though they're getting less consistent now as well.

The card has been cleaned though, FYI. I've seen a lot of cleaned cards in MBA slabs recently for some reason.
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The card has been cleaned though, FYI. I've seen a lot of cleaned cards in MBA slabs recently for some reason.
I can think of one...
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That's an accurate grade. PSA will call that a 2 most of the time today though. They've completely forgotten how to grade vintage cards. SGC will usually call that a 3 now, though they're getting less consistent now as well.

The card has been cleaned though, FYI. I've seen a lot of cleaned cards in MBA slabs recently for some reason.
Travis, please explain the part about the card being cleaned. I have bid on MBA cards (without winning them) and would like to have a full story if possible. I am sure others may be interested, too.
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Travis, please explain the part about the card being cleaned. I have bid on MBA cards (without winning them) and would like to have a full story if possible. I am sure others may be interested, too.
Most vintage cards have been cleaned. Seriously if you are buying a card in a slab there is very little chance it hasn't been cleaned in some way.
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Travis, please explain the part about the card being cleaned. I have bid on MBA cards (without winning them) and would like to have a full story if possible. I am sure others may be interested, too.
all you need to do is watch a few of Kurt's videos (cleaning vintage cards) to see what to look for. one obvious tell is bright white vintage cards w/ rounded corners. all vintage paper stock ages and tones over time
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I have a slab from MBA. The grading seems fair, given the edge wear. I've seen PSA 3s that look similar, but I've also seen PSA 5s that look worse.
So the card is a 3.5 but the silver bar means it’s a high grade 3.5? Like a 3.7? What if it had a gold bar? Then a 3.85? Why not just grade it 3.7 or 3.85 as accuracy would presumably be important to a grader? And does the submitter need to pay two fees, one for the grade and the second for that silver bar? Does a bronze bar mean 3.6?
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If you are just going to cross the cards why are you wasting a step—just submit to who you want the ultimate grade from.

I would guess that 99% of cards that get crossed are not crossed by the original submitter
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Old 06-04-2025, 06:51 AM
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The 1952 Topps I have seen in MBA slabs sold for a higher price than anticipated. I was a little surprised
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