Disturbing Confession ...

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Ok, so there's a body, but on a brighter note the opinion sellers made a profit.

If I understand this, and I probably don't, the opinion sellers were bypassed. These fakes were created by auto pen, then had fake authentication holograms/stickers/whatever type of certs added.

So, no, that's another sad thing besides the corpse. The opinion sellers didn't make a profit from this.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Mark17

If I understand this, and I probably don't, the opinion sellers were bypassed. These fakes were created by auto pen, then had fake authentication holograms/stickers/whatever type of certs added.

So, no, that's another sad thing besides the corpse. The opinion sellers didn't make a profit from this.

Oh, then that is double sadness.

But don't people who buy things with certs/holos/etc then usually get them opinionated because the slab is a good way to keep the item protected?

[packs]

I still have a lot of practical questions about this confession.

If you make a fake LOA sticker and cert for a major retailer in the hobby, it is easy to search for it in the LOA database and see it's not there. I always check but I guess some people don't. Even people who are paying thousands of dollars for somebody like Brady, apparently.

Autopen is not magic. It should be fairly easy to distinguish it from a real signature, even when looked at by someone who is not an "expert". It's not all that different from distinguishing between a xerox and a live document. It's hard to imagine so many LOAs being issued for what are said to be autopen signatures.

[Fandom0610]

Originally Posted by packs

I still have a lot of practical questions about this confession.

If you make a fake LOA sticker and cert for a major retailer in the hobby, it is easy to search for it in the LOA database and see it's not there. I always check but I guess some people don't. Even people who are paying thousands of dollars for somebody like Brady, apparently.

Autopen is not magic. It should be fairly easy to distinguish it from a real signature, even when looked at by someone who is not an "expert". It's not all that different from distinguishing between a xerox and a live document. It's hard to imagine so many LOAs being issued for what are said to be autopen signatures.

From what ive seen most don't have LOA's with the item picture on it. Theyre simply just the psa/jsa/panini stickers on the item. Some might have a coa but what theyre doing is finding a legit item certified by psa or jsa and copying that cert # onto another sticker and putting it on the item. Alot of items dont have the picture of the item on the database. It'll just say "Kobe bryant 8x10" on the psa or jsa website. So as long as that item is a Kobe signed 8x10 with the same cert # nobody would know because theres no picture to reference.

[pawpawdiv9]

I thought this was the OP’s confession that he sits in a small room smelling his 100yr old tobacco cards

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Fandom0610

From what ive seen most don't have LOA's with the item picture on it. Theyre simply just the psa/jsa/panini stickers on the item. Some might have a coa but what theyre doing is finding a legit item certified by psa or jsa and copying that cert # onto another sticker and putting it on the item. Alot of items dont have the picture of the item on the database. It'll just say "Kobe bryant 8x10" on the psa or jsa website. So as long as that item is a Kobe signed 8x10 with the same cert # nobody would know because theres no picture to reference.

Good points. Kind of sad all the way around, including someone going to such involvement they felt the best way out was to lose their life

[Kco]

Originally Posted by packs

I still have a lot of practical questions about this confession.

If you make a fake LOA sticker and cert for a major retailer in the hobby, it is easy to search for it in the LOA database and see it's not there. I always check but I guess some people don't. Even people who are paying thousands of dollars for somebody like Brady, apparently.

Autopen is not magic. It should be fairly easy to distinguish it from a real signature, even when looked at by someone who is not an "expert". It's not all that different from distinguishing between a xerox and a live document. It's hard to imagine so many LOAs being issued for what are said to be autopen signatures.

This is all correct, autopen is very much detectable and in many cases fiarly obvious to decipher from a natural signature.

[Brent G.]

Probably not for a dad/mom who never collected and their kid wants a piece of their favorite player. Those are the top marks here — there are millions of them.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

Probably not for a dad/mom who never collected and their kid wants a piece of their favorite player. Those are the top marks here — there are millions of them.

Yes, and especially when the "autograph" is a couple barely distinguishable initials maybe followed by a squiggle or dash.

[oldjudge]

I feel bad for kids who saved up to buy something signed by one of their heroes. If I owned Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle or Robinson signed cards I'd be shitting my pants now. If you can forge a signature on a football you can certainly do it on a card.