Poll: Are you concerned about buying SGC graded vintage cards?

[Johnny630]

To me the PSA Slab gives you the best return on investment and the easiest liquidity out of all the major grading companies.

Like it or not I'm good with it.

[Fandom0610]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

To me the PSA Slab gives you the best return on investment and the easiest liquidity out of all the major grading companies.

Like it or not I'm good with it.

Ya but why? Better graders? Better slabs?

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Fandom0610

Ya but why? Better graders? Better slabs?

Registry and Pop...PSA owns them both and rich buyers who want to be number one on the registry pay the most.

[jsfriedm]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Registry and Pop...PSA owns them both and rich buyers who want to be number one on the registry pay the most.

If what you're saying is correct, do you think SGC just screwed up by investing in other things - turnaround time perhaps, customer service - instead of building their registry? Was that just a bad (fatal?) business decision?

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

If what you're saying is correct, do you think SGC just screwed up by investing in other things - turnaround time perhaps, customer service - instead of building their registry? Was that just a bad (fatal?) business decision?

No, I don’t think so….. once PSA had it whatever SGC did would not have put them on par or have taken business away from PSA. Population report and registry are synopsis across all card collecting all sports all genres, etc. it’s what makes these cards sell for the money they do. The population report is now what’s causing vintage non-sport especially pre-war to go to new levels. I see it all the time on boards and auctions they all mention, low pop, etc. The reason a lot of those cards are low pop is because for years non-sport vintage collectors refused to grade. They never wanted their stuff graded now the money is there to be made and it’s happening.

[frankbmd]

Does not mean which individual slab sells for more money is not ROI.

Your cost is just as important in determining ROI.

Three identical cards are graded identically by TPG A, TPG B AND TPG C.

if you paid $100 for the TPG A, and sold it for $200, your ROI IS 100%.

If you paid $500 for the TPG B, and sold it for $625, your ROI IS 25%.

If you paid $900 for the TPG C, and sold it for $990. Your ROI IS 10%.

Your net gain for A is $100, net gain for B is $125 and your net gain for C is $90.

Pretty simple math, but if A is CGC, B is SGC and C is PSA.

However I would maintain A with highest ROI is the card I would buy.

If I needed more cash in hand, I would sell the B card.

If I bought the C card because I was convinced PSA was the best like many sheeple, I would regret the purchase.

Personally I would buy As all day long.

Cost must not be excluded from the equation if you want to boast about your ROI.

[toledo_mudhen]

Pretty simple math, but if A is CGC, B is SGC and C is PSA.
However I would maintain A with highest ROI is the card I would buy.
If I needed more cash in hand, I would sell the B card.
If I bought the C card because I was convinced PSA was the best like many sheeple, I would regret the purchase.
Personally I would buy As all day long. -


Yea - I'm an A&B kinda guy all day long.......................

Buy (and Grade) with A
Buy (and Sell) with B
Casually look at C for deals that I cant resist

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

No, I don’t think so….. once PSA had it whatever SGC did would not have put them on par or have taken business away from PSA. Population report and registry are synopsis across all card collecting all sports all genres, etc. it’s what makes these cards sell for the money they do. The population report is now what’s causing vintage non-sport especially pre-war to go to new levels. I see it all the time on boards and auctions they all mention, low pop, etc. The reason a lot of those cards are low pop is because for years non-sport vintage collectors refused to grade. They never wanted their stuff graded now the money is there to be made and it’s happening.

The pop report is the biggest driver of many card sales these days.

As I said years ago, SGC not focusing on a registry was a huge misstep imo.

[Exhibitman]

Am I concerned that the card is bad in an SGC holder? No more than any other grader.

Am I concerned that the card might not sell for as much in an SGC holder as a PSA holder? Depends on the card. I bought a 1933 Goudey Ruth in an SGC holder at auction; it sold for about the same as PSA cards in the same grade.

If I gave a rat's ass about the registry, sure, i'd want a PSA-graded card so I could wag my weenie with it. If I was looking to grade a registry-friendly card to sell to the registry weenie waggers, I'd send it to PSA.

If I had a Star Jordan RC to sell, I'd go PSA rather than SGC, Beckett or CGC; if I am looking to buy one I'd go with the non-PSA services and save myself some money, maybe let the auction house cross it over when I want to sell.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Registry and Pop...PSA owns them both and rich buyers who want to be number one on the registry pay the most.

In addition, the sheer number of items graded makes a difference, particularly for the postwar collector, and especially when you get into some of the oddball issues. If I’m looking to pick up a particular card from 1963 Topps in PSA 7, I will have many more opportunities than if I’m looking for SGC 7.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by raulus

In addition, the sheer number of items graded makes a difference, particularly for the postwar collector, and especially when you get into some of the oddball issues. If I’m looking to pick up a particular card from 1963 Topps in PSA 7, I will have many more opportunities than if I’m looking for SGC 7.

Definitely true, way more examples in PSA post war then SG.