Judge or Raleigh for MVP?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not if he is getting points just for being a catcher, no. Is he an elite catcher like Bench or Rodriguez, if so I'd give him a few points I guess, but I have not heard that said of him.

He did win a gold glove last year.

[icurnmedic]

If he wins another gold glove, that kind of changes the narrative. As far as Judge fatigue, I think it is both real and undeserved. He is nothing short of a class act producer on the field. I too never would have thought a .240 average would put you in the mvp conversation.

Side note: my first trip to NYC , first Yankee game on Tuesday, seen Judge go yard. It was awesome!

[bk400]

Originally Posted by icurnmedic

Side note: my first trip to NYC , first Yankee game on Tuesday, seen Judge go yard. It was awesome!

That's pretty sweet! Did you take the subway to the game? That can be a fun, uniquely unifying experience also.

[TUM301]

Raleigh 2 more bombs tonight so far. Has chance to hit 60 lead the league in RBI and maybe help his team win the division not just make the playoffs. Doing all this from behind the plate about 120 games is more than sufficient to win MVP honors.

[jayshum]

If Raleigh and Schwarber both win MVPs, it would probably be the first time both MVPs hit in the .240s. Other than pitchers, what's the lowest batting average for an MVP?

[Swadewade51]

Originally Posted by jayshum

If Raleigh and Schwarber both win MVPs, it would probably be the first time both MVPs hit in the .240s. Other than pitchers, what's the lowest batting average for an MVP?

Shohei batted .257 in 2021 but he's a pitcher too? So idk.

Next lowest is Marty Marion in 1944 at .267. Then Roger Maris at .269 in 1961.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by TUM301

Raleigh 2 more bombs tonight so far. Has chance to hit 60 lead the league in RBI and maybe help his team win the division not just make the playoffs. Doing all this from behind the plate about 120 games is more than sufficient to win MVP honors.

We are at the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit a couple more.

[packs]

Originally Posted by TUM301

Raleigh 2 more bombs tonight so far. Has chance to hit 60 lead the league in RBI and maybe help his team win the division not just make the playoffs. Doing all this from behind the plate about 120 games is more than sufficient to win MVP honors.

Judge leads the league in runs, batting average, slugging, on base and total bases. That is how you win MVP.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by jayshum

He did win a gold glove last year.

He not only won a gold glove, he was the AL Platinum Glove winner.

[D. Bergin]

These guys are making it tough to pick. Both on fire down the stretch with Raleigh closing in on Judge’s AL Record with 4 games left to play.

Meanwhile Judge becomes the 1st Non-Peds guy since Ruth to hit 50+ 4 Times in his career.

Judge has the Offensive Analytics and WAR metric heavily in his favor, and Raleigh has the traditional power numbers, offensive catcher records, and a reputation as a stellar defensive catcher (even though the metrics don’t quite agree for this year) in his favor.

[bk400]

The bookies have Raleigh as the favorite now, and those guys have the most to lose if they get it wrong.

For me, the catcher angle is the big tie breaker. Just for kicks, I tried getting into an ass to grass squat, holding it for 5 seconds, and then coming back up. Made it to 7 reps and then fell on my ass. And I don't have some guy throwing a ball 100 mph at my face and another guy swinging a bat at 75 mph near my face while I'm doing it.

[yanksfan09]

Judge dominated by a mile, head and shoulders above Raleigh. Raleigh had an all time great season for a catcher for sure, not trying to take anything away, But Judge has blown him away in almost every statistical category. Yes Raleigh has a few more HR and RBI but those are relatively close. All the the categories Judge is front by a mile! I don't get how its even a discussion. Judge fatigue? Yankee hate? That's all BS and an utter disgrace if they rob Judge of another MVP. He had another one of the greatest seasons of all time yet again this season. We're witnessing an all time great hitter having a peak/prime like maybe only a handful of others have had throughout history!

.331 compared to .247. That's an 84 point difference!! That's the same difference/gap of a .300 hitter vs. a pathetic .216 hitter! Worlds apart.

If avg isn't your thing these days look at OBP, SLG, OPS, WRC+, whatever Judge is so far and away better it's insane.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by yanksfan09

Judge dominated by a mile, head and shoulders above Raleigh. Raleigh had an all time great season for a catcher for sure, not trying to take anything away, But Judge has blown him away in almost every statistical category. Yes Raleigh has a few more HR and RBI but those are relatively close. All the the categories Judge is front by a mile! I don't get how its even a discussion. Judge fatigue? Yankee hate? That's all BS and an utter disgrace if they rob Judge of another MVP. He had another one of the greatest seasons of all time yet again this season. We're witnessing an all time great hitter having a peak/prime like maybe only a handful of others have had throughout history!

.331 compared to .247. That's an 84 point difference!! That's the same difference/gap of a .300 hitter vs. a pathetic .216 hitter! Worlds apart.

If avg isn't your thing these days look at OBP, SLG, OPS, WRC+, whatever Judge is so far and away better it's insane.

This. It's not even close, on the merits. WAR anyone? 9.8 to 7.3.

[G1911]

Wouldn't complain about either one, Judge is an all-time great bat talent and Raleigh has had a historic season as a catcher. 2 good picks this time