Greg Morris Overgrading

[luciobar1980]

People.. you have to realize.. they list SO MANY CARDS. You can't expect them to look over a card the way PSA does. They take a quick look and give a guess of a grade. If you expect every card to come back as advertised I think you're being unreasonable, sorry. 9 times out 10 a card that presents like that will come back a way higher grade and you can't expect them to see every miniscule flaw. Overall I've been happy with my purchases from Greg Morris.

[ASF123]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

You can't expect them to look over a card the way PSA does. They take a quick look and give a guess of a grade.

Er....

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

You can't expect them to look over a card the way PSA does. They take a quick look and give a guess of a grade.

[Balticfox]

It seems to me that most of the complaints in this thread are about PSA/SGC undergrading cards. My complaint is just the opposite. The grading companies don't seem to penalize for toning and thus way overgrade badly toned/tanned/browned cards.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

People.. you have to realize.. they list SO MANY CARDS. You can't expect them to look over a card the way PSA does. They take a quick look and give a guess of a grade. If you expect every card to come back as advertised I think you're being unreasonable, sorry. 9 times out 10 a card that presents like that will come back a way higher grade and you can't expect them to see every miniscule flaw. Overall I've been happy with my purchases from Greg Morris.

I think you are giving PSA way too much credit as to the time spent looking at each card. I doubt very seriously on 1960's commons they are looking at the card for more than 15-20 seconds. My guess is GM graders spend that much time on each card as well. Of course, on high dollar star cards both probably spend a little more time due to possible highly graded values, but for the kind of cards in this 25 lot sample, likely not much time was spent by either and for the most part they came to the same conclusions.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by rand1com

I think you are giving PSA way too much credit as to the time spent looking at each card. I doubt very seriously on 1960's commons they are looking at the card for more than 15-20 seconds. My guess is GM graders spend that much time on each card as well. Of course, on high dollar star cards both probably spend a little more time due to possible highly graded values, but for the kind of cards in this 25 lot sample, likely not much time was spent by either and for the most part they came to the same conclusions.

This.

I have been told on numerous occasion that 15-20 seconds is pretty standard for common cards like these. Probably very similar to the time GM spends evaluating them.

[JustinD]

I think it’s definitely closer to NM than a 3.5, but that’s why it’s an opinion. SGC in my belief is tighter on print flaws. I think they might have been extra anal on the inking flaw on yours as this is not a reoccurring issue and just a print flaw.

[mortimer brewster]

I'm just a broken down old collector trying to piece ungraded sets together. I've purchased thousands of raw cards from GM over the past 12 years. Yet even though I don't particularly care for graded cards I am competing against bidders who think a card is under graded, who are then going to send off the card to be graded. They drive the price up. I have accepted this for star cards and rookies but for a low number 1960 common? jeez.

[luciobar1980]

Ok, my point is they are not a grading company, they are a seller selling thousands and thousands of cards.

When you receive a card, look it over. They have a very "no questions asked" return policy. If you go at their word and submit to a grading company without looking a card over, that's on you. And along those lines, if you look a card over and agree with their grade, submit, and are then disappointed with the grade, again, that's on you.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

When you receive a card, look it over. They have a very "no questions asked" return policy. If you go at their word and submit to a grading company without looking a card over, that's on you. And along those lines, if you look a card over and agree with their grade, submit, and are then disappointed with the grade, again, that's on you.

Good point

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

When you receive a card, look it over. They have a very "no questions asked" return policy. If you go at their word and submit to a grading company without looking a card over, that's on you. And along those lines, if you look a card over and agree with their grade, submit, and are then disappointed with the grade, again, that's on you.

I agree with your point so much that I previously said pretty much the same thing :

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I'm just saying he was hoping to buy a lottery ticket, not a card.

Nothing wrong with that, I hope he finds a $3 card that he later sells for a zillion dollars, but don't come on here to bad mouth a seller based on a single common and cheap card that he obviously thought it was a quality card himself after receiving it, or he wouldn't have sent it in for an opinion.

If he's going to call out a seller in a thread, maybe he should have titled the thread "Greg Morris & Butchie T Overgrading"

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

People.. you have to realize.. they list SO MANY CARDS. You can't expect them to look over a card the way PSA does.

I disagree. Using their published numbers of opinions sold, the opinion sellers spend no more time looking at a card than an ebay seller.