Hey, pennant guys

[Domer05]

Like I said, well argued theory Gary and Greg. I would only push back on one point: the Dodgers were not exclusively known as the Robins in 1920--or any other year, really.

In fact, there's never been a pennant bearing the name "Robins" to my knowledge. The 1916 NL champs pennant I previously reproduced on Pennant Factory ID'd the team as "Dodgers" (see: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant ). Moreover, the 1920 World's Series program identified the team as "Dodgers" despite the fact that Wilbert Robinson himself was prominently featured on the cover. Both items were made during the height of Robinson's popularity; yet, the name "Dodgers" was featured on them.

I only wish your theory got us closer to ID'ing the mystery maker behind these grommet pennants.

I also spent some time looking for HoF dedication photos from the 1939 grand opening, hoping to find a spectator or two waving a pennant--but came up with nothing.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Like I said, well argued theory Gary and Greg. I would only push back on one point: the Dodgers were not exclusively known as the Robins in 1920--or any other year, really.

In fact, there's never been a pennant bearing the name "Robins" to my knowledge. The 1916 NL champs pennant I previously reproduced on Pennant Factory ID'd the team as "Dodgers" (see: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant ). Moreover, the 1920 World's Series program identified the team as "Dodgers" despite the fact that Wilbert Robinson himself was prominently featured on the cover. Both items were made during the height of Robinson's popularity; yet, the name "Dodgers" was featured on them.

I only wish your theory got us closer to ID'ing the mystery maker behind these grommet pennants.

I also spent some time looking for HoF dedication photos from the 1939 grand opening, hoping to find a spectator or two waving a pennant--but came up with nothing.

Thanks Kyle. I concede that the Dodgers were commonly called the Dodgers in 1920. But we know for certain that the Braves were only called the Bees from 1936-1940.

With regards to the HoF pictures, I'm wondering if they'd be inside in the main hall or on a display. The use of grommets on pennants sold to fans seems an extra expense and complication that they wouldn't have needed. The grommets seems to be most useful if the pennants were being displayed hanging down in a display.

[bigfanNY]

Won this pennant as part of a group of items. What I know is it comes from estate of player from the 1951 Team named Margaret Carroll. She signed with the Peaches at the age of 16 pitched one season then left pro ball. Very pretty and my first few searches I cannot come up with any sales. Lots of Rockford peaches pennants but almost all are later reprints produced after the film. I would appreciate any help.

[perezfan]

Great stuff! You don’t see the Mini versions very often… especially those that come from an actual player’s estate. Awesome!

Here’s mine (3/4 size original). The reproduction versions are quite obvious (and unattractive, IMHO). Great to see authentic examples!

[bigfanNY]

Whoa!! That's a Beauty. Yes the Peach colored replicas are not very attractive. If you blow up the picture I posted the Obituary is worth the read. Funny how a lifetime gets summed up in a few Paragraphs. Especially the lifetime of a Woman who was a Professional athlete in 1951 at the age of 16!!.
As for the pennant the Peach on the Dark Blue is what attracted me to the lot. Really didn’t think I stood a chance at winning it. But with so many auctions lots,especially this time of year, to many times the right eyes just dont get on even the best items.

[perezfan]

You said it! These auctions can be fickle, and the prices realized depend so much upon timing who actually sees it. Awesome lot!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Great stuff! You don’t see the Mini versions very often… especially those that come from an actual player’s estate. Awesome!
Here’s mine (3/4 size original). The reproduction versions are quite obvious (and unattractive, IMHO). Great to see authentic examples!

What a beauty!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks Kyle. I concede that the Dodgers were commonly called the Dodgers in 1920. But we know for certain that the Braves were only called the Bees from 1936-1940.

Yup, that's why I buy your theory

I wonder if this collection of grommet pennants were maybe part of a promotional giveaway? You know, like a "Collect all past league champion pennants" promotional giveaway? They're not the highest quality pennants so this seems like a good possibility.

[jsage]

WOW - Another BLAZER from Mark.
Amazing - what a great eye.
Jerry Sage

[bocca001]

Just got this 7.5 foot long canvas Giants flag/banner from a fellow Net54 member and friend. The label says "Hortie Van", from Pasadena, CA. They made early flags for Disneyland and were the longtime official flag makers for the Tournament of Roses. Made me think that this might be from the LA area. I don't think Dodgers Stadium has any flags like this. I found some photos of the LA Coliseum from 1958 showing flags, but it's really tough the get a close up of the flags. Or pictures of the flags with any detail. The best I could do was a picture of the scoreboard, showing a similar style "Pittsburgh" flag up in the right corner. So, I can't say for sure that this flag came from the LA coliseum in 1958/1959, but I think that it possibly did. Does anyone else have a flag with this label? I did find one Dodgers pennant made by Hortie Van (on Worthpoint), but no other baseball stadium banners.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Just got this 7.5 foot long canvas Giants flag/banner from a fellow Net54 member and friend. The label says "Hortie Van", from Pasadena, CA. They made early flags for Disneyland and were the longtime official flag makers for the Tournament of Roses. Made me think that this might be from the LA area. I don't think Dodgers Stadium has any flags like this. I found some photos of the LA Coliseum from 1958 showing flags, but it's really tough the get a close up of the flags. Or pictures of the flags with any detail. The best I could do was a picture of the scoreboard, showing a similar style "Pittsburgh" flag up in the right corner. So, I can't say for sure that this flag came from the LA coliseum in 1958/1959, but I think that it possibly did. Does anyone else have a flag with this label? I did find one Dodgers pennant made by Hortie Van (on Worthpoint), but no other baseball stadium banners.

That’s a great burgee! I think your theory of the LA Coliseum could well be its origin. I hope you or someone else can nail it down for sure.

P.S. you don’t hear the name “Hortense” much, these days.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Just got this 7.5 foot long canvas Giants flag/banner from a fellow Net54 member and friend. The label says "Hortie Van", from Pasadena, CA. They made early flags for Disneyland and were the longtime official flag makers for the Tournament of Roses. Made me think that this might be from the LA area. I don't think Dodgers Stadium has any flags like this. I found some photos of the LA Coliseum from 1958 showing flags, but it's really tough the get a close up of the flags. Or pictures of the flags with any detail. The best I could do was a picture of the scoreboard, showing a similar style "Pittsburgh" flag up in the right corner. So, I can't say for sure that this flag came from the LA coliseum in 1958/1959, but I think that it possibly did. Does anyone else have a flag with this label? I did find one Dodgers pennant made by Hortie Van (on Worthpoint), but no other baseball stadium banners.

Very cool, Marc! Get a flagpole for that and fly it on the front lawn!

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

So, I can't say for sure that this flag came from the LA coliseum in 1958/1959, but I think that it possibly did. Does anyone else have a flag with this label? I did find one Dodgers pennant made by Hortie Van (on Worthpoint), but no other baseball stadium banners.

Marc, This probably won't be much help, but the Dodgers appear to have used some unidentified pennant makers when they first moved to Los Angeles prior to the 1958 season. They were clearly in a rush to get everything going, having just decided to make the move in Oct 1957, and in all likelihood dealt with local vendors. I have 2 very early LA pennants, and both have unusual construction. One was from the opening day parade in 1958, and has looped tassels and Los Angeles Dodgers flocked (easy, Rob lettering. I believe it was made for the Macy's salesgirls to wear at the parade. The other one seems to be made out of wool and has a matching wool spine which doesn't look like the way other spines were made then (kind of an hourglass shape). It also appears to have been custom made. Both appear to have been made in very small quantities, not for retail purposes, and neither look anything like the Horite Van pennant you found on Worthpoint. I have no idea who made them, but they would have been made at about the same time as your burgee, maybe by the same company as yours.

As can be seen in Kyle's website, the Dodgers had burgees made and displayed after every championship. The 1966 Los Angeles Dodgers NL Champions burgee I posted above was made by Annin Flags, here is the label. Unfortunately no labels on the other burgees are visible in the photos.

Rick

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[ooo-ribay]

^^^ “frocked” or “flocked”?