Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio

[DeanH3]

If he had been sitting at 691 HR’s he very well could have stuck around and possibly passed Ruth who was only at 715. How would he have been looked at if Aaron had passed Ted Williams record instead of Babe Ruth? Interesting to ponder.

[bnorth]

I have never really collected many Joe DiMaggio items. I have had a ton of Ted Williams cards. Even with the Fleer complete set he doesn't really have any of those "this is an amazing card" cards. Even if we had a post your favorite Ted card it would just be a bunch of ugly cards.

As for what one is better. I guess I would go with the one that is in the GOAT discussion and not the one that was with a movie actress by a country mile.

[GasHouseGang]

Another name you could add to this "under appreciated by collectors" list is Stan Musial. His numbers compare favorably with both Williams and DiMaggio. Stan lost one year to military service as well in 1945, but ended up with an impressive career stats line, as well as 3 MVPs, 7 batting titles, 3, World Series, and 24 All-Star appearances.
One thing that also hurt Stan with a lot of impressionable kids was that he wasn't in the early Topps baseball sets. He didn't appear in a Topps set until 1958. He also wasn't in many of the Bowman sets, but did appear in the 1952 and 1953 Bowman offerings.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

Another name you could add to this "under appreciated by collectors" list is Stan Musial. His numbers compare favorably with both Williams and DiMaggio. Stan lost one year to military service as well in 1945, but ended up with an impressive career stats line, as well as 3 MVPs, 7 batting titles, 3, World Series, and 24 All-Star appearances.

One thing that also hurt Stan with a lot of impressionable kids was that he wasn't in the early Topps baseball sets. He didn't appear in a Topps set until 1958. He also wasn't in many of the Bowman sets, but did appear in the 1952 and 1953 Bowman offerings.

Stanislaus was the greatest Polish-Amerivan player of all-time. If he had a few more HRs he would be in the discussion of the best ever, alongside Ruth, Williams, Cobb, Mantle, etc.

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[robw1959]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

Another name you could add to this "under appreciated by collectors" list is Stan Musial. His numbers compare favorably with both Williams and DiMaggio. Stan lost one year to military service as well in 1945, but ended up with an impressive career stats line, as well as 3 MVPs, 7 batting titles, 3, World Series, and 24 All-Star appearances.
One thing that also hurt Stan with a lot of impressionable kids was that he wasn't in the early Topps baseball sets. He didn't appear in a Topps set until 1958. He also wasn't in many of the Bowman sets, but did appear in the 1952 and 1953 Bowman offerings.

And in one season Stan came within a single home run of capturing the triple crown - 1948?

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by robw1959

And in one season Stan came within a single home run of capturing the triple crown - 1948?

Yeah, 1948. He led the league in:

Runs
Hits
Doubles
Triples
RBI
Batting Average
OBP
Slugging
OPS
OPS+
Total Bases

[Leon]

+1

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

Another name you could add to this "under appreciated by collectors" list is Stan Musial. His numbers compare favorably with both Williams and DiMaggio. Stan lost one year to military service as well in 1945, but ended up with an impressive career stats line, as well as 3 MVPs, 7 batting titles, 3, World Series, and 24 All-Star appearances.
One thing that also hurt Stan with a lot of impressionable kids was that he wasn't in the early Topps baseball sets. He didn't appear in a Topps set until 1958. He also wasn't in many of the Bowman sets, but did appear in the 1952 and 1953 Bowman offerings.

[samosa4u]

The World Wide Gum DiMaggio is selling just as high as the 52T Mantle. I would say Joe is getting plenty of respect in the hobby.

[icollectDCsports]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

Another name you could add to this "under appreciated by collectors" list is Stan Musial. His numbers compare favorably with both Williams and DiMaggio. Stan lost one year to military service as well in 1945, but ended up with an impressive career stats line, as well as 3 MVPs, 7 batting titles, 3, World Series, and 24 All-Star appearances.
One thing that also hurt Stan with a lot of impressionable kids was that he wasn't in the early Topps baseball sets. He didn't appear in a Topps set until 1958. He also wasn't in many of the Bowman sets, but did appear in the 1952 and 1953 Bowman offerings.

I agree. I feel the same way about the greatness of Frank Robinson’s career being overshadowed by other more prominent names.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by icollectDCsports

I agree. I feel the same way about the greatness of Frank Robinson’s career being overshadowed by other more prominent names.

Not to trigger anyone, but you could make the case for Frank Robinson as the equal of Clemente, if not better.

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not to trigger anyone, but you could make the case for Frank Robinson as the equal of Clemente, if not better.

Absolutely. Has anyone else ever been a Rookie of the Year, an MVP in both leagues, a World Series MVP, a Triple Crown winner, and a gold glove winner?

[raulus]

Originally Posted by robw1959

Absolutely. Has anyone else ever been a Rookie of the Year, an MVP in both leagues, a World Series MVP, a Triple Crown winner, and a gold glove winner?

Give it time. Ohtani the Great will get there soon enough. And if not, it was only because he was robbed.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by icollectDCsports

I agree. I feel the same way about the greatness of Frank Robinson’s career being overshadowed by other more prominent names.

I think Frank Robinson is overrated. His peak was low for what his reputation is. His WAR7 of 52.9 is less than Charlie Gehringer, Wade Boggs, Eddie Mathews, Ron Santo, Cal Ripken, Arky Vaughan, Carl Yastrzemski, Mookie Betts, Phil Niekro and Robin Roberts. He was overshadowed when he was in the NL because he never led the league in any triple crown category. He also never the NL in WAR. He was 2nd once and 4th 3 times.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by rats60

I think Frank Robinson is overrated. His peak was low for what his reputation is. His WAR7 of 52.9 is less than Charlie Gehringer, Wade Boggs, Eddie Mathews, Ron Santo, Cal Ripken, Arky Vaughan, Carl Yastrzemski, Mookie Betts, Phil Niekro and Robin Roberts. He was overshadowed when he was in the NL because he never led the league in any triple crown category. He also never the NL in WAR. He was 2nd once and 4th 3 times.

This is the first time I have seen Wade, Eddie, and Carl used in this manner. I would bet 99.9% of players have worse stats than those 3.

[Kutcher55]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I have never really collected many Joe DiMaggio items. I have had a ton of Ted Williams cards. Even with the Fleer complete set he doesn't really have any of those "this is an amazing card" cards. Even if we had a post your favorite Ted card it would just be a bunch of ugly cards.

As for what one is better. I guess I would go with the one that is in the GOAT discussion and not the one that was with a movie actress by a country mile.

I think the 41 play ball Ted and the 49 Leaf are both beautiful. Both have increased quite a bit in value in the past year. My favorite Joe D is the 39 Play Ball.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I like both the WF Ted and the 54T #1. Also the Red Man. I think he has lots of outstanding cards.