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Posted By: Bob
Didn't Matty pitch 3 complete game shutout wins in one World Series? I was thinking this was around 1906 or 7? Can anyone help me here? Dan? |
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings
Matty beat Eddie Plank 3 - 0 in Game 1, Andy Coakley 9 - 0 in Game 3 and Chief Bender in Game 5 by a score of 1 - 0. The Giants beat the Athletics 4 games to 1 as all five games were shutout wins (Bender won 3 - 0 in Game 2 and Iron Man McGinnity won 1 - 0 in Game 4). |
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Posted By: B Hodes
I think one of the first (if not the first) "World Series" was in 1884 between two major leagues -- the National League and the American Association. The National League champion was the Providence Grays led by the hitting of Paul Hines and the pitching of "Old Hoss" Radborne who won about 60 games in the regular season and then out-dueled future HOFer TIme Keefe and singlehandedly shutdown the original New York Metropolitans ("Mets" for short) throwing 3 consecutive Complete game shutouts while givintg up no walks as the Grays swept the best of 5 series 3 to zip. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
wasn't the Temple Cup played in 1884? |
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Posted By: David
The Mick going 2 for 4 while still passed out. |
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings
So does anyone think Old Hoss or Matty would've intentionally walked the likes of someone like Barry Bonds to protect their shutouts? |
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Posted By: jay behrens
If Bonds played during their era, no. Becuase stats were not the be all-end all they are today. If they pitched today, then probably, yes. |
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Posted By: Cy
Kevin, |
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Posted By: B Hodes
As I recall the Temple Cup series were played between the top two National League teams in the 1890's after the demise of the American Association. |
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Posted By: jay berhens
anyone else seen the pin that was given to the Browns players that won that title in 1887? The thing is absolutely stunning. Think ultimately ended up in the Copeland collection. |
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings
Cy: |
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Posted By: Elliot
Brian, does this book have a name? thanks, Elliot |
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Posted By: Dan Mathewson
...it was the 1905 World Series. A record which will never be broken. Three shut-outs in one series. I plan to throw a HUGE party in 2005 to celebrate the 100th Anniversary of Christy's MLB Unbeatable record. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
Radbourne wouldn't have said he "won" 60 games; he would have said he piched "sixty games when his team won." The pitcher wasn't considered thre winner back then; |
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Posted By: TBob
Matty never faced any hitters on steroids. I still say he whiffs Bonds with his fadeaway... |
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Posted By: jay berhens
steroids or not, you still need the talent and ability to hit the ball. You don't see any of the juice monkeys from wrestling hitting homers on a regular basis. |
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Posted By: Glen V
With the MLBs need for a star and the "if Bonds doesn't swing, it must be a ball" attitude of the umps, not even Matty could strike Bonds out today. Like a sports writer said toward the end of the season - "his strike zone is smaller than a laptop computer". |
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Posted By: Brian H
Sorry i missed Eliot's question until tonight. |
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Posted By: B Hodes
While we are on the topic Barry Bonds 21-30 On-base perventage of .700 may be pretty tough to top for anyone who came to the plate more that 20-25 times... |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Bonds prolly should have won, but can't really argue with Glaus either. He did have a number of key hits and the voters tend to want to vote for someone on the winning team rather than the losing team. If none of the Angels players had not had a stand out performance, then you would ahve prolly seen Bonds win it. |
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Posted By: runscott
Agreed that Bonds is great, but he gets walked and pitched-around so that he won't beat you single-handedly, and this inflates his OBP. Before someone beats me up on this do the math - walking someone intentionally four out of four times and leaving them stranded three times gives an OBP of .750, but pitching to them four times and having them hit one home run and make two or three outs is far more damaging but only gives an OBP of only .250 or .500. |
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Posted By: Cy
Scott, |
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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)
Any notion that Bonds' on base pct is overvalued should be viewed with an eye toward the fact that his World Series Slugging Pct was 1.39!!!!!!!!!! Top that. He is not only getting on base, he is averaging more than a base per AB when allowed to see a strike. |
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Posted By: runscott
I didn't say solo shot (or even mean to insinuate it) and I said 2 or 3 outs (implying, given his .370 ba that he know he will reach base more than 1 out of 4 times if pitched to). Remember, they only give him an intentional walk when it is appropriate (if the manager is worth his salt). |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
I've got this funny niggling memory, but it won't take shape. Or maybe, there was some outstanding player in a losing cause (like Bonds), who a lot of people thought SHOULD have won the MVP. |
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Posted By: jeff s
Bobby Richardson in 1960. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
I thought there was one... |
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