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Beckett is the most strict and reputable!
Posted By: (www.bestbaseballcards.com)
First of all, I would not just take a "cheap shot" at a grading company. I have absolutely "NO REASON" to do so. I am a "small time collector", that has "NO BIAS" whatsoever. I am sure that you could not state the same. My main interest is in the interest of the collector/investor. Like I said, I will send GAI graded cards to Beckett and publish my results, and let the public make their own mind up. |
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Posted By: (www.bestbaseballcards.com)
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Posted By: Jay Miller
After reading his posts it seems like Mike is just trying to generate a little positive publicity for Beckett. From what I have seen Beckett is a non-issue in the vintage card grading debate. Plenty of vintage cards are currently being graded and plenty will be graded in the future. Next to none of these go to Beckett. There are three major graders for vintage material, with supporters and detractors for each, but Beckett ain't part of the conversation. |
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Posted By: Jay Miller
Mike--With all due respect I doubt anyone on this board gives a fu*k about the 1987 Fleer Barry Bonds card. This is a vintage board. Now if you want to talk about Tommy Bond, that's a different story. |
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Posted By: david
obviously the tittle and concept of this board seems to be alluding you. this board is dedicated to VINTAGE preWAR cards. for those of us who read this board we could care less what a psa or BGS 9 1987 barry bonds is selling for. also, the members of this board have seen enough reprint cracker jacks and impossible front back combinations of t206's in beckett holders that we do not take them seriously as a grader of vintage cards. |
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Posted By: Julie
I don't collect graded cards, but even those of us who don't have occasionally had to buy one to get what he/she wants (it's silly to say, however, that there are no more ungraded cards in great shape, from any year; my 19th century collection, which isn't huge, is full of them). Given this fact, I have been least often (once) disappointed by GAI; Beckett is chiefly memorable because I have to use a vise-grip plyers to get the card out of the holder, breaking it off all around, which is very damgerous to self, card, and paintings and photos on the wall. |
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Posted By: (www.bestbaseballcards.com)
Again, I agree that beckett really hasn't stole a lot of market share on vintage, but again, neither should anyone, since most "gradeable" cards have already been graded....unless, casings are being broken and resubmitted. I intend to do so to make a point. I am the one with no bias. I am only biased towards beckett because, if the same card is given to PSA, BVG, and GAI, BVG will get the lowest grade. |
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Posted By: runscott
I need to talk, man! I have a Topps SGC-graded 1987 Bonds, and it is labeled "rookie". What's up with that? Especially given that Bonds is also in the 1986 Topps Traded update set? Was this an SGC faux pas? |
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Posted By: Marc S.
Though this forum often talks about vintage baseball cards. Though we often talk about the differences/pros/cons/aggravations with grading companies, we do it in the context of pre-war baseball cards. Please let us restrict our discussions to that. Otherwise, you can talk on other boards with other focuses. |
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Posted By: Peter Thomas
Mike: Your p****** into the wind - you would need to show me a Beckett graded Ramly or E card for me to even consider your supposition. I have never seen one and have had thousands of PSA's hundreds of SGC's and scores of GAI's. |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
As stated earlier this is a Vintage Sportscard collector board. I receive inserts as stiffeners in shipping and ship vice versa. |
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Posted By: MW
<< Think about it...for the most part, vintage cards have already been graded. >> |
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Posted By: Brian H.
This only addresses Beckett's grading of vintage cards (ie Cards created prior to WWII). My limited experience is that Becketts first attempts to grade these cards adhered a bit too closely to its standards for more recent cards and were usually undergraded relative to PSA, SGC and GAI. However, when Beckett introduced BVG as a separate line for early cards (this includes 1950s and 60's cards) it began to administer an easier standard than PSA, SGC, GAI. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Main problem you've got here is that Beckett has zero rep and zero acclaim in the vintage arena. If anything, their idiotic BVG scam bas completely blown any future cred that they might seek to develop. Also, their cards look SH!**Y in the plastic sleeve inside the plastic holder. Put one next to an SGC or GAI card and there is simply no presentation comparison. |
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Posted By: Jay Miller
I think MW is exactly correct. I can't speak to all vintage cards but amongst what I believe are the ten largest Old Judge collections in the world I would say the percentage of slabbed cards is less than 1%. |
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Posted By: (www.bestbaseballcards.com)
And those that spend big bucks without buying the slab are fools, and deserve to get trimmed or counterfeit cards. I don't even look at "ungraded" vintage cards on ebay for sale, and it should be obvious in the dollar amount that they bring in, there are many that share the same opinion. |
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Posted By: (www.bestbaseballcards.com)
Is there a difference between a 9 and a 10?? Buy an 8??? |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
we're all arguing a lot of differing arguments based on things that really don't match up. |
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Posted By: MW
<< And those that spend big bucks without buying the slab are fools, and deserve to get trimmed or counterfeit cards. >> |
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Posted By: Anonymous
You wrote: |
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Posted By: Marc S.
<<Most millionaires won't even own a 9, unless a 10 is unavailable. And to the millionaires of the world, money isn't a big issue, especially when there may be 10 9's and 1000 8's. >> |
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Posted By: (www.bestbaseballcards.com)
Perhaps my statement that people that buy ungraded cards are fools was a little strong. I agree, no one deserves to get trimmed or counterfeit cards, but when it is well known that there are MANY counterfeits/reprints out there, that if you are not well aware of what the common counterfeits are, and know exactly what to look for, that before you invest your hard-earned money, that you should realize that with today's modern technology, and the amount of crooks out there, you may be better off buying cards by a reputable grading company. |
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Posted By: (www.bestbaseballcards.com)
I was responding to the individual that was talking about modern era cards. He was suggesting to buy a psa 8 bonds over a 9 or 10....that was ridiculous and obviously "OLD SCHOOL". I understand it is a different story for "pre-war" and many vintage cards....but I believe the rule should always be the same...get the highest grade you can afford within your budget. |
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Posted By: (www.bestbaseballcards.com)
PSA9 Rose rookie $0 |
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Beckett is the most strict and reputable!
Posted By: (www.bestbaseballcards.com)
I agree...I wasn't aware that this was a "pre-war" only forum. My comments were based on marketing statistics I have gathered on ebay for HOF'ers past to present, with absolutely no interest in pre-war cards. |
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Posted By: MW
<< I was responding to the individual that was talking about modern era cards. He was suggesting to buy a psa 8 bonds over a 9 or 10....that was ridiculous and obviously "OLD SCHOOL". >> |
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Posted By: Peter Thomas
If baseball teams followed that approach for each position they would have trouble fielding a full team. What you collect or hope to collect need to be divided into your budget and maybe you will find that you need to collect an E card set in grade 4 not 8 as was in a recent SCP auction. In grade 4 you can collect a nice set for 20% or less than grade 8, which you probably won't be able to find anyway. Not many of us have unlimited budgets and most of us have many cards that we are seeking. |
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Posted By: OldOriole
I think we've learned four things from this: |
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Posted By: runscott
Mike is a "card tard". Seriously, he admittedly knows nothing about vintage cards, has no respect for the opinions of those who do, and reacts very defensively to people who are trying to help him. I am simply amazed that so many of you have the patience to respond to his inane posts. And sending him to the CU Forum is cruel....to the CU people. |
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