Uncataloged Cards/Collectibles

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Posted By: Rhett

There are two schools of thought when it comes to uncataloged cards/collectibles. Some would say that by being uncataloged their collectible is more valuable, and/or easier to sell, while others say that they would like others to know about their uncataloged stuff and want them included in the Standard Catalog or the Beckett Almanac. I personally am somewhere in the middle, I have several items in my personal collection that are uncatalaloged at the present, and I personally prefer it that way, for now. But I also have some that are interesting and that I will share. I know that many of you on this forum have items that are currently not known, and I think it would be interesting for those willing to share their discoveries to do so. Keep in mind this is purely voluntary, and hopefully Bob Lemke will be able to see the scans and include the new entries in a later edition of the Standard Catalog (maybe even get a shout out at the beginning of the book?). Here are a pair from my collection...



The card on the left is a copy of your average W517 Paul Waner, the one on the right however is missing the #34 on the front.




The difference on these two P2 pins of #16 Guy Bush are somewhat subtle, but striking. One appears to be a colorized pastel of the player while the other appears to be more of a photograph. The pastel has a wider yellow band at bottom, a blue hat, and an orange emblem on his hat, and his chin is much farther away from the yellow band with his name. The photo pin has a thinner yellow band, gray/black hat, with a white (can't really see it on the scan) emblem, and his chin is just slightly above the band at bottom.

If you all have others you would like to add, with a brief description describing why they may be variations, etc, I think this could be a cool thread to get started.
-Rhett

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Posted By: runscott

Don't get TOO excited: it's only James (Wicky) McAvoy

...xover to wacky nickname thread

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Posted By: leon

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Posted By: Jay Miller

Leon--Them be some ugly women, especially the one in the hat.

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Posted By: leon

I still can't figure out why there's about 3 guys on a girls team, not counting the dude in the tophat or the guys in the "band"? Maybe they are "girly mans" and/or it's a "girly man" reunion?

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Posted By: hankron

It was a social requirement that the each Bloomers team have at leasat one male chaperone player.

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Posted By: Julie

but make Black Sox collectors salivate, cannot be truly uncatalogued. The one of Cicotte and Weaver clowning in the dugout was a $400 (sic!) copy of the $1000 original seller decided not to sell me at the last minute--and he took his sweet time making me a copy, and put, like, not even "Kodak" on the back. I have NO IDEA who took it, and have never seen it anywhere else. But HE has the original...

The extreme close=up of Joe Jackson's face came from Leland's, who thought it was a "Brace photo" because Brace printed it and put his stamp on it sometime in the '50s. His daughter (he's dead now) might know who the original photographer was. They also thought the "C" on his cap stood for "Chicago." The photo was obviously taken about 1913, and there's no way George Brace took it, or that he was playing for Chicago (who had very few "C"s on their caps--if any--before 1920). At first, I thought these things were amusing (though I had to pay a lot for it because others believed what they said), but now that some years have gone by, and nobody has ever seen another, I'm getting mighty curious...

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

Does the text on the premium give any indication why McAvoy is included in a circa 1931 set when he last played in the majors in 1919?

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I think I read that Joe Wood pitched for a Bloomer Girls team in drag.

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Posted By: hankron

Hadn't heard about the drag part, but Joe Wood did playe for a Bloomers team. So did Rogers Hornsby.

The Bloomers games were essentially shows (not that they didn't play real games), often booked with other acts-- dancers, etc. While enterntainent for the audience, they were not intended to be burlesque shows. The thought was that to make it wholesome entertainment for the whole family, each team should have at least one male player on the field.

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Posted By: Rhett

Bob, I never really understood the 1931 date that was given to this set in the first place, where did that come from? The players included in the set give it much more of a feel of the late teens to the early 20's. From those in the known set, Daubert stopped playing in 1924, Lajoie was no longer playing after 1916, Collins career was pretty much over by the late 1920's. I have a Heinie Groh premium as well (uncataloged) and he stopped playing in 1927. Maybe a new year should be put in the new book, unless there is something you know, that I don't, that points to the year 1931.
-Rhett

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

"Seventeen years in professional baseball was the record Jim McAvoy had to his credit when he quit the diamond in 1929..."

(there's additional text as well).

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Posted By: Max

Here is a card of Ernie Kershaw from the Vancouver Senior Amateur Baseball League Card Series (earlier posted in July). I believe over 90 players have been identified. Crowds in the senior amateur league regularly ranged from 1,000 to 3,000 fans. After senior ball, Ernie Kershaw played for the Vancouver Capilanos in the Western International League. (Somehow, I think these cards are way away from the Standard Catalogue)